when you discuss Gay rights, do you include transgender and/or transsexual in your support ?

Serious question as doing some reading it sure seems that way in most cases ! Thus asking those who have been strong for gay rights, are those folks included in your support ?

Originally Posted by Bucco

when you discuss Gay rights, do you include transgender and/or transsexual in your support ?

Serious question as doing some reading it sure seems that way in most cases ! Thus asking those who have been strong for gay rights, are those folks included in your support ?

Cannot say I know that much about either transgenders or transsexuals. Transgender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexualism

I support human rights and I do not ask if they are a gay Catholic Priest or if they are a women/man or even half way through surgery to change from one to another.

WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL

Originally Posted by The Villager II

I support human rights and I do not ask if they are a gay Catholic Priest or if they are a women/man or even half way through surgery to change from one to another.

WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL

So those who support the right to marriage for same sex would also support the right to marriage for transgender and/or transsexual ?

That seems to be the next move coming.

It depends on what kind of "rights" you're talking about.

Things like marriage and civil rights recognizing those who've been through "gender reassignment surgery" (as I understand the latest medical definition)? Yes. I do.

Things like the "right" of inmates to demand the state pay for such surgery while they're in prison? No Bleeping Way!

Originally Posted by djplong

It depends on what kind of "rights" you're talking about.

Things like marriage and civil rights recognizing those who've been through "gender reassignment surgery" (as I understand the latest medical definition)? Yes. I do.

Things like the "right" of inmates to demand the state pay for such surgery while they're in prison? No Bleeping Way!

Some are saying a person has rights based on how they perceive their orientation.

Is someone decides they relate better in the world to a different gender orientation display (can't even say opposite sex; as it means little today), they claim rights based on those feelings.

As in the recently publicized case of a student born male, and who considers his (?) orientation to be bi-sexual and wants the right to go to school in full out female oriented clothing and makeup, when he feels inspired to do so.

The school banned him (?) as "a distraction", and he's enlisted an attorney.

Some venues have stated that if a "born male", or "born female", is unsure of their orientation, they have the legal right to dress as they wish and use the rest room facilities of their daily "choice decision" for that day.

I guess this is all considered to be human progress.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Some are saying a person has rights based on how they perceive their orientation.

Is someone decides they relate better in the world to a different gender orientation display (can't even say opposite sex; as it means little today), they claim rights based on those feelings.

As in the recently publicized case of a student born male, and who considers his (?) orientation to be bi-sexual and wants the right to go to school in full out female oriented clothing and makeup, when he feels inspired to do so.

The school banned him (?) as "a distraction", and he's enlisted an attorney.

Some venues have stated that if a "born male", or "born female", is unsure of their orientation, they have the legal right to dress as they wish and use the rest room facilities of their daily "choice decision" for that day.

I guess this is all considered to be human progress.

This is why I began this thread. With all due respect to DJPLONG with whom I disagree mostly but respect his opinion I was doing some investigating, NOT to find fault but to try and understand, and ran into this particular twist. Actually on a transgender web site there is a banner "thanking" President Obama and I got to thinking, and I say this honestly with all due respect, what other activities might there be asking for rights as the years go by.

I know supporters of gay rights are sincere, but those who speak of what can come from it may have a point.

Bucco, I have pointed out several times in the past on this forum that the "gay rights" agenda is the LGBT agenda. I was wrong. Now, the agenda is the LGBTQ agenda. The lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered and queer agenda is what is being promoted. The push is for a nongendered world. Look it up. I had to. I'd never heard of nongendered people. The idea goes hand-in-hand with what we are hearing about "the war on women." Look up lesbian feminism, social hierarchy and the queer theory. It is being pushed and taught in our intitutions of higher learning around this country.

Out of curiousity, I joined another forum about a year ago. I am one of maybe three members with a conservative viewpoint. It has been a very eye-opening, educational, disheartening and at times frightening experience for me. You are considered uneducated, a bigot and backwards if you believe in God, believe there is a difference in men and women in any way shape or form and make any type of judgement based on morality.

Human rights only, there is no need for any other kind of rights. They just create special interest groups who can be pandered to.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Bucco, I have pointed out several times in the past on this forum that the "gay rights" agenda is the LGBT agenda. I was wrong. Now, the agenda is the LGBTQ agenda. The lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered and queer agenda is what is being promoted. The push is for a nongendered world. Look it up. I had to. I'd never heard of nongendered people. The idea goes hand-in-hand with what we are hearing about "the war on women." Look up lesbian feminism, social hierarchy and the queer theory. It is being pushed and taught in our intitutions of higher learning around this country.

Out of curiousity, I joined another forum about a year ago. I am one of maybe three members with a conservative viewpoint. It has been a very eye-opening, educational, disheartening and at times frightening experience for me. You are considered uneducated, a bigot and backwards if you believe in God, believe there is a difference in men and women in any way shape or form and make any type of judgement based on morality.

I doubt if there is a LGBTQ agenda. Gays and lesbians come in all political affiliations and colors. They would have different individual re-actions to transsexuals and transgenders as would many straights. LGBT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"LGB issues can be seen as a matter of sexual orientation or attraction. These distinctions have been made in the context of political action in which LGB goals may be perceived to differ from transgender and transsexual goals like same‐sex marriage legislation and human rights work that is not inclusive of transgender and intersex people. Similarly, some intersex people want to be included in LGBT groups and would prefer the term "LGBTI" while others insist that they are not a part of the LGBT community and would rather that they not be included as part of the term." from above linked Wikipedia article

Tal, there are too many sources to quote here. Please, if you are interested, educate yourself. Nearly every university has a center for LGBTQ issues. Look and see for yourself.

Here are a few sites to get you started for some other sources that what I'm saying is true: Civil Rights | Change.gov: The Obama-Biden Transition Team

Funders for LGBTQ Issues

LGBTQ Nation – News, Opinions, Arts and Culture – The Nation’s LGBTQ News Magazine

Top UN officials urge countries to tackle violence based on sexual orientation

Originally Posted by Bucco

when you discuss Gay rights, do you include transgender and/or transsexual in your support ?

Serious question as doing some reading it sure seems that way in most cases ! Thus asking those who have been strong for gay rights, are those folks included in your support ?

Yes

Tal, I just read the the additional Wiki link you put in your previous post. I suppose you answered the question for yourself. From your Wiki link: "Yogya****a Principles in Action is a movement for activists and human rights defenders to promote human rights, especially those of LGBTI around the Yogya****a Principles, supported by ARC International, Hivos and Dreilinden Gesellschaft für gemeinnütziges Privatkapitel, Germany.

"They published the "Activist's Guide" on the Yogya****a Principles in August 2010 and also provided translations of the Yogya****a Principles in languages which are not official languages of the United Nations, including Catalan, Dutch, Euskara (Basque), Filipino, German, Hungarian, Indonesian, Lithuanian, Nepali, Persian, Portuguese, Sinhala, Slovak and Tamil.

"On 28 February 2011, International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission held a meeting to celebrate the launch of the Yogya****a Principles accompanying 'Activist's Guide'.[1] And on 4 July 2011, Philippine LGBT groups celebrate the Yogya****a Principles with the 'Activist's Guide' "

Should a short white Christian male be treated the same as

a tall black Muslim female

or a average white Hindu male that is bald.



POINT: Stop dividing and treat everyone fairly and the same.

For whatever reason, this site will not allow the word in the post. So the letters "****a" go after Yogya. Weird. See what happens when I put the Wiki link to explain this idea of international rights for the LGBTQI community.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogya****a_Principles