Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

"Gay agenda." That is like saying that there's a straight agenda. Or, an African-American agenda. Doesn't really work as too many people are involved.

There are many separate groups partially made up of gays/lesbians/etc. which may have a clear goal like Democrats and keeping President Obama in office, or Republicans with getting Mitt Romney in office. After November 2012 though the goal changes for these two groups-- Democrats and Republicans.

Will bet that the gays/lesbians at a Catholic University like Georgetown U. have different interests and goals than those at say UCLA or UC, Berkeley.

My point is that very few gays/lesbians/bis would probably be involved with politics and social marches and the like. The same with straights.

I would say you are really naive to the agenda of the gay community today. In my own circle of family and friends, the activism, especially with the availability of social networking sites, of my gay relatives and friends have increased dramatically. The ability to stay current with coming protests and marches, along with disseminating pertinent information within their community has never been greater.

There are no real organizations of straight people dedicated to a straight agenda that average people belong to. That is not true of the gay community. They are almost all active now and paying attention.

Originally Posted by djplong

It depends on what kind of "rights" you're talking about.

Things like marriage and civil rights recognizing those who've been through "gender reassignment surgery" (as I understand the latest medical definition)? Yes. I do.

Things like the "right" of inmates to demand the state pay for such surgery while they're in prison? No Bleeping Way!

I agree. What point is original poster trying to make? That there are still some folks you can discrimininate against?

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

"Gay agenda." That is like saying that there's a straight agenda. Or, an African-American agenda. Doesn't really work as too many people are involved.

There are many separate groups partially made up of gays/lesbians/etc. which may have a clear goal like Democrats and keeping President Obama in office, or Republicans with getting Mitt Romney in office. After November 2012 though the goal changes for these two groups-- Democrats and Republicans.

Will bet that the gays/lesbians at a Catholic University like Georgetown U. have different interests and goals than those at say UCLA or UC, Berkeley.

My point is that very few gays/lesbians/bis would probably be involved with politics and social marches and the like. The same with straights.

Hi Tal: I respectively disagree. It is an intentional gay agenda and it doesn't require many separate groups but only a few selected people well placed that have the money opportunity and know how to push it along. Like say Hollywood where we see now on every movie or TV show a gay type that is adapt at making so called gay haters , especially white guys look like country bumpkins. Hollywood just loves to play the populist game because it gives you a fuzzy feeling all over.

For instance recall that very popular movie "It's A wWnderful Life" Well old George gives it to the mean old banker who demands credit worthy clients. Gosh wasn't it the lack of proper underwriting as to the credit worthiness of people that got us into the housing bubble. You mean people really need to pay able to pay back their loans or else lose their investment? Not in Hollywood land no no no those mean old bankers taking back people's property even though they never made one payment toward the loan the bank gave them to buy it in the first place. How dare these bad bankers throw these people out on the streets.

Now the Hollywood elite are mischaracterizing people's reactions to a very serious and potentially dangerous issue. To legitimize and normalize a condition which they will push as a civil right or the right thing to do and which is abnormal and unnatural, and will open up a pandora's box. Previous posters have done an absolute wonderful and illuminating presentation on what the pandora's box will look like. Do we dare open that box???Hmmmmmmmmmm Hint: Heroin feels good going in each and every time until.............Hollywood etc are leading us down a primrose path once again with this gay issue.

Originally Posted by rubicon

Hi Tal: I respectively disagree. It is an intentional gay agenda and it doesn't require many separate groups but only a few selected people well placed that have the money opportunity and know how to push it along. Like say Hollywood where we see now on every movie or TV show a gay type that is adapt at making so called gay haters , especially white guys look like country bumpkins. Hollywood just loves to play the populist game because it gives you a fuzzy feeking all over.

For instance recall that very popular movie "It's A wWnderful Life" Well old George gives it to the mean old banker who demands credit worthy clients. Gosh wasn't it the lack of proper underwriting as to the credit worthiness of people that got us into the housing bubble. You mean people really need to pay able to pay back their loans or else lose their investment? Not in Hollywood land no no no those mean old bankers taking back people's property even though they never made one payment toward the loan the bank gave them to buy it in the first place. How dare these bad bankers throw these people out on the streets.

Now the Hollywood elite are mischaracterizing people's reactions to a very serious and potentially dangerous issue. To legitimize and normalize a condition which tey will push as a civil right or the right thing to do and which is abnormal and unnatural, and will open up a pandora's box. Previous posters have done an absolute wonderful and illuminating presentation on what the pandora's box will look like. Do we dare open that box???Hmmmmmmmmmm Hint: Heroin feels good going in each and every time until.............Hollywood etc are leading us down a primrose path once again with this gay issue.

Being gay is a normal condition. Or, it has been in many cultures and societies. Timeline of LGBT history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some of the other questions such as those involving cross dressers, sex change operations, people who think like the opposite sex, etc. are not exactly what I would call "normal" in many other cultures and societies.

I just do not buy your pandora's box nor that many mainstream gays/lesbians are out their advocating for the right to cross dress, have sex change operations, or whatever.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Being gay is a normal condition. Or, it has been in many cultures and societies. Timeline of LGBT history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some of the other questions such as those involving cross dressers, sex change operations, people who think like the opposite sex, etc. are not exactly what I would call "normal" in many other cultures and societies.

I just do not buy your pandora's box nor that many mainstream gays/lesbians are out their advocating for the right to cross dress, have sex change operations, or whatever.

Tatarzac, are you saying you don't consider transgendered, nonconforming gendered or queers (which, btw, is PC in the LGBTQ dictionary) "normal?" But you consider homosexuals normal? I'm confused by your post.

Also, what does cross-dressing have to do with the discussion?

Originally Posted by ladydoc

I agree. What point is original poster trying to make? That there are still some folks you can discrimininate against?

I do kind of see this as the point of this thread the way it is going. There are mainstream homosexuals that would probably see transsexuals, transgenders and others as part of the fringe side of the LGBT movement. Not saying they should be discriminated against because of this.

I would also assume that many in the transgender, transsexual, cross dressers, allies and other categories consider themselves hetereosexual and not homosexual.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Being gay is a normal condition. Or, it has been in many cultures and societies. Timeline of LGBT history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some of the other questions such as those involving cross dressers, sex change operations, people who think like the opposite sex, etc. are not exactly what I would call "normal" in many other cultures and societies.

I just do not buy your pandora's box nor that many mainstream gays/lesbians are out their advocating for the right to cross dress, have sex change operations, or whatever.

Hey Tal: Homosexuality was a bonafide abnormality in the DSM until it was removed for political reasons around 1984. Paraphilias (sexual fetishes) is consider an abornormality but not homosexuality. the fact remains that the experts are still arguing that homosexuality belongs in the DSM defined as a mental disorder. Its one thing to protect a person's human rights and to punish those guility of hate crimes but to legalize and legitimize this unnatural act is asking for trouble. By the way the most discriminated people in this country are those with mental disorders , Its a crime what is happening or not happening to or for these folks

Originally Posted by rubicon

Hey Tal: Homosexuality was a bonafide abnormality in the DSM until it was removed for political reasons around 1984. Paraphilias (sexual fetishes) is consider an abornormality but not homosexuality. the fact remains that the experts are still arguing that homosexuality belongs in the DSM defined as a mental disorder. Its one thing to protect a person's human rights and to punish those guility of hate crimes but to legalize and legitimize this unnatural act is asking for trouble. By the way the most discriminated people in this country are those with mental disorders , Its a crime what is happening or not happening to or for these folks

I agree with you about people with mental disorders. This is also used by some as a weapon. It is easy for someone in power to label someone mentally ill if that person's ideas some how reflect poorly on those with power.

I do not see homosexuality as a mental illness. It is often those with power who write down what it means to have a mental illness.

"Normal" is more a state of mind. I mean, by *mathematical* standards, "men" are not "normal".

"Normal" evolves.

Ten years ago, thinking gay marriage was ok was not "normal".

50 years ago, thinking that women deserved equal pay for equal work was not "normal".

75 years ago, thinking that European problems couldn't affect us was "normal".

100 years ago, thinking that women should be allowed to vote was not "normal".

In some countries, today, it's STILL not "normal".

Originally Posted by djplong

"Normal" is more a state of mind. I mean, by *mathematical* standards, "men" are not "normal".

"Normal" evolves.

Ten years ago, thinking gay marriage was ok was not "normal".

50 years ago, thinking that women deserved equal pay for equal work was not "normal".

75 years ago, thinking that European problems couldn't affect us was "normal".

100 years ago, thinking that women should be allowed to vote was not "normal".

In some countries, today, it's STILL not "normal".

So you believe that the movementS in this country are pushing us closer to normal ???

Anyone who doesn't believe there's any organized "gay agenda" in this country, and that most all "gay americans" are paying attention and actively communicating with each other about it on social networking sites, does not know what is going on, and doesn't know diddly about what they're speaking.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Anyone who doesn't believe there's any organized "gay agenda" in this country, and that most all "gay americans" are paying attention and actively communicating with each other about it on social networking sites, does not know what is going on, and doesn't know diddly about what they're speaking.

Homosexual agenda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Homosexual agenda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not going to place much credence on a link that someone deigns to post, which is an unsupported opinion piece on a subject of which I have personal experience to draw on.

I'm not even taking the time to read it. If you have something to say, just say it.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I'm not going to place much credence on a link that someone deigns to post, which is an unsupported opinion piece on a subject of which I have personal experience to draw on.

I'm not even taking the time to read it. If you have something to say, just say it.

Homosexual Agenda - Conservapedia

I lived near San Francisco for a number of years so I do have some experience with gay/lesbians and bis. The people I met had all kinds of different political philosophies, life experiences, and other interests. Except for living their lives they did not seem to have any kind of agenda. Maybe, that was because they were in SF which was one of the most liberal cities in the world where they did not need to have much of an agenda.