Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I doubt if there is a LGBTQ agenda. Gays and lesbians come in all political affiliations and colors. They would have different individual re-actions to transsexuals and transgenders as would many straights. LGBT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"LGB issues can be seen as a matter of sexual orientation or attraction. These distinctions have been made in the context of political action in which LGB goals may be perceived to differ from transgender and transsexual goals like same‐sex marriage legislation and human rights work that is not inclusive of transgender and intersex people. Similarly, some intersex people want to be included in LGBT groups and would prefer the term "LGBTI" while others insist that they are not a part of the LGBT community and would rather that they not be included as part of the term." from above linked Wikipedia article

I want to be kind, but I will never ever link to Wikipedia..the single most unreliable source out there, but it IS easy so......

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Bucco, I have pointed out several times in the past on this forum that the "gay rights" agenda is the LGBT agenda. I was wrong. Now, the agenda is the LGBTQ agenda. The lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered and queer agenda is what is being promoted. The push is for a nongendered world. Look it up. I had to. I'd never heard of nongendered people. The idea goes hand-in-hand with what we are hearing about "the war on women." Look up lesbian feminism, social hierarchy and the queer theory. It is being pushed and taught in our intitutions of higher learning around this country.

Out of curiousity, I joined another forum about a year ago. I am one of maybe three members with a conservative viewpoint. It has been a very eye-opening, educational, disheartening and at times frightening experience for me. You are considered uneducated, a bigot and backwards if you believe in God, believe there is a difference in men and women in any way shape or form and make any type of judgement based on morality.

Thanks for your post....as I said my investigation, which has only begun, was really because I felt bad about my attitude and DJPLONG adivsed to get educated, and I say that in a nice way...thus I began..however..

I ran into the same thing....if you have a basic religious belief you are considered backward, stupid, awkward and "behind the times".

I have great fears of where this country is going. I began my search into my beliefs and came out stronger in my beliefs and feelings and MORE stringent in my views that this country better slow it down.

Our cultural and economic and moral "strides" which many consider to be progressive are ripping my country, which used to be a leader, apart and that is how I feel. You other folks can call me names, and you most surely will,but I suppose that is another of the great "strides" the lack of discipline shown in our remarks to each other and the tolerance for lying, that we are taking.

LGBT Affairs | Multicultural and Diversity Affairs | The University of Florida

Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, Ally Programs Office : University of Minnesota.

Affirmation: Gay & Lesbian Mormons

So you still don't think there is an agenda?

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

So you still don't think there is an agenda?

Sure, these groups have agendas. They are social groups which usually also have political ideas and such.

The BYU gay group is interesting.
Affirmation: Gay & Lesbian Mormons

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I doubt if there is a LGBTQ agenda.

Good. You called into question my previous post. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Good. You called into question my previous post. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.

You're kind of quoting me out of context. I meant that there was not a single agenda for the huge number of people that might be described as gay, lesbian, bi, transsexual, transgender, queer, ally or whatever initials you put into this. A group of people at the U of MN, for example, might have an agenda which has some kind of goals that has something to do with gay/lesbian, etc rights. However, a group at the U of FL would probably have a different set of goals for gay/lesbian, etc.

The group at BYU would have yet a different set of goals for gays/lesbians, etc., rights.

To me, I thought that you saw that the fact that nearly every university in the nation has an office to address and further the LGBTQI xyz community shows there was and is an agenda in place. The fact that there is a UN resolution addressing and pushing the univeral rights of the LGBTQI community shows there is an agenda. It hasn't happened arbitrarily.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

To me, I thought that you saw that the fact that nearly every university in the nation has an office to address and future the LGBTQI xyz community shows there was and is an agenda in place. The fact that there is a UN resolution addressing and pushing the univeral rights of the LGBTQI community shows there is an agenda. It hasn't happened arbitrarily.

I did notice while searching that the ACLU has a movement afoot on this also.

Bucco, if you get a chance read what you can about a book by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen called, After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90's (1989, Doubleday/Bantam), or better yet, read the book.

Hunter Madsen went by a penname, Erastes Pill. Here is a link to an essay the two wrote. They wrote the handbook for today's Gay or LGBTQ movement and agenda. Whatever your beliefs and opinions, saying there isn't an agenda is very misinformed.


THE OVERHAULING OF STRAIGHT AMERICA - By Marshall Kirk and Erastes Pill

I'd post on this, but I can't stop laughing right now.

It's okay if that's not understood.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

To me, I thought that you saw that the fact that nearly every university in the nation has an office to address and further the LGBTQI xyz community shows there was and is an agenda in place. The fact that there is a UN resolution addressing and pushing the univeral rights of the LGBTQI community shows there is an agenda. It hasn't happened arbitrarily.

U.N. Gay Rights Protection Resolution Passes, Hailed As 'Historic Moment'

UN High Commissioner Pillay presents study on anti-LGBT violence, discrimination | HeyWeeqender.com

Gay/lesbian rights though would not be handled the same way in say Saudia Arabia vs. Indonesia vs. Japan vs. Sweden vs. Norway vs. Iceland vs. the United States.

There was a 60 Minutes piece last night on gays/lesbians in Tel Aviv. The response about someone's being gay/lesbian in Tel Aviv was "who cares?" They have more important problems to worry about.

The gay agenda has been underway for a number of years now with the assistance of Educational Institutions, Hollywood, NOW, ACLU, etc. The gay community is a very wealthy and well connected community and have used a two prong approach in their movement that being "empathy" and "civil rights".

If you think about it, the ERA (proposed COnstitutional Amendment from the 1970s) would have done the same thing. By banning discrimination on the basis of sex, it wouldn't matter WHAT sex you were (or perceived yourself to be) because discriminating on that basis would be unconstitutional.

Originally Posted by rubicon

The gay agenda has been underway for a number of years now with the assistance of Educational Institutions, Hollywood, NOW, ACLU, etc. The gay community is a very wealthy and well connected community and have used a two prong approach in their movement that being "empathy" and "civil rights".

"Gay agenda." That is like saying that there's a straight agenda. Or, an African-American agenda. Doesn't really work as too many people are involved.

There are many separate groups partially made up of gays/lesbians/etc. which may have a clear goal like Democrats and keeping President Obama in office, or Republicans with getting Mitt Romney in office. After November 2012 though the goal changes for these two groups-- Democrats and Republicans.

Will bet that the gays/lesbians at a Catholic University like Georgetown U. have different interests and goals than those at say UCLA or UC, Berkeley.

My point is that very few gays/lesbians/bis would probably be involved with politics and social marches and the like. The same with straights.