[Golfingnut]

Since I could not shake a statement I heard out of my mind, I went into research mode. The statement: THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN FOXHOLES,!

Really, well it turns out that is not the case. I found a very good read on the subject.

Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers | Atheists in Foxholes, in Cockpits, and on Ships - Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers

[BarryRX]

I think the statement "there are no atheists in foxholes" refers to a situation that many veterans in TV can relate to. It means being under heavy attack with sappers in the wire, rockets and mortars everywhere, the night lighting up with tracers so thick it doesn't seem that anyone can survive. Flares going off while you struggle to keep whatever night vision you can. In those circumstances, the saying implies that even an atheist will pray to survive the night. It does not mean that you can't be in the military and still be an atheist anymore than someone praying to survive another few minutes proves the existence of a higher power. The search for truth that you seem to be on is a worthwhile journey, whether or not it brings you closer to atheism or closer to a relationship with a higher power. I personally lean towards atheism but that comes after my own travels through Judaism, Christianity, Mormonism, and Buddhism. Good luck on your journey. This is certainly a case where the journey itself is as rewarding as the destination.

[rubicon]

This is a personal issue and can be very explosive for some. In my view there is no one on earth that can answer it. They may believe they have the answer but they can never using science make such a conclusion.

In effect for me one of two things is going to occur following my last breath either I will move toward the bright light or there will be nothing. If the former than a consciousness continues if the latter well it doesn't and I won't know. I prefer the former to occur. I believe prayer, the golden rule the ten commandments and following the good example Jesus provided are better for me and for society. I also believe in what was once termed the Protestant Ethic and hence believe in a capitalistic society To continue an argument about the existence of God that no one can prove is counter-productive and often is hurtful.

Some people have blind faith and I really do admire them for their deep commitment. Some people are agnostic and some atheists and I will respect their right to question the god concept. However, I abhor an in your face approach on this subject. So unless there is a specific reason for such discussion such a group of people gathered for such purposeful discussion silence seems the better choice

[graciegirl]

What happens to each of us when we are faced with life threatening or devastating situations is personal, often not understandable, or reasonable or even good.


None of us can give another an absolute.


I have been in a couple of foxholes of life and completely lost faith in God, and a few others and found Him close to me.


I wish anyone, ANYONE in any foxhole, anywhere, of any kind............


Comfort to some degree. And if we survive that foxhole, compassion for others in the same boat.

[graciegirl]

I am glad you didn't start a thread on Santa's complexion bothering folks. I just saw that on The Today show.




Merry Christmas everyone.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Since I could not shake a statement I heard out of my mind, I went into research mode. The statement: THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN FOXHOLES,!

Really, well it turns out that is not the case. I found a very good read on the subject.

Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers | Atheists in Foxholes, in Cockpits, and on Ships - Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers

Please, no offense to anyone, it is just that I am on a constant quest to find the rest of the story i.e. The truth. Only in my weird opinion, does truth out weigh fiction.

There is also this monument. Atheists In Foxholes - Freedom From Religion Foundation

I am a deeply spiritual person but not much of a church goer as I find most services rather boring. Raised a Lutheran but minored in Religious Studies at the University of Nevada, Reno and attended BYU Law School for a short period in 1982. Also dabbled with the Unification Church for about 4 hours total around 1978 until they kicked me out for being too argumentative! https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...303-post2.html Did a lot of church hopping as well in Reno, Nevada when I was trying to get a fix on different religions.

It seems to be up to each person to have their own journey to or away from whatever God they might envision. My Lutheran background seems to creep back into everything with the emphasis on personal relationships to God.

[donb9006]

It's funny how in times of desperation...people will go to any measures for some comfort...real or imagined.

[billethkid]

the need to pigeon hole personal beliefs according to one's own bearing is somewhat limiting of reality given the diversity of individuals whether by race, religion or any other characterization is at best futile, however personal.

I, like many, do not have the time of day for those who use their personal beliefs to minimize or belittle the belief of others (and this statement is not to be interpreted as aimed at ANYTHING that has been posted...because it is not!).

As far as any search for which is best or not or other I personally put that in the category of trying to step into the same spot of water in a flowing stream....good luck.

Opinions and beliefs are as varied as there are individuals and there is no individual qualified to measure another.

btk

[kittygilchrist]

Would you define atheist as someone who believes there is no God because they cannot prove it logically to their satisfaction?
If so, then I would ask how one can firmly disbelieve something that cannot be proved or disproved? Why take such an illogical position?
It seems as irrational to me to disbelieve as to believe since neither position is subject to empirical proof.

[2BNTV]

I find comfort in believing in a higher power, and the power of prayer.

Therefore, I would not find any comfort in being an atheists.

People should follow the dictates of their concious, and seek the truth, in what is right for them, Anything else, is folly. IMHO

[BarryRX]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Would you define atheist as someone who believes there is no God because they cannot prove it logically to their satisfaction?
If so, then I would ask how one can firmly disbelieve something that cannot be proved or disproved? Why take such an illogical position?
It seems as irrational to me to disbelieve as to believe since neither position is subject to empirical proof.

I understand what you're saying Kitty, but if I were to say to you that somewhere on Earth there is a squirrel that speaks perfect english, it would not be your task to prove my statement wrong, it would be my task to prove my statement right. It is not illogical to believe that a talking squirrel doesn't exist without proof of its existence. But it is illogical to believe that a talking squirrel does exist without proof. So even though it appears that both statements are just two sides of the same coin, they are not.

[Cisco Kid]

Another thread to stir the pot that will soon be closed.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

Another thread to stir the pot that will soon be closed.

Ohhhh Cisco!

[capecodbob]

The statement "There are no atheists in foxholes" is an aphorism used to argue that in times of extreme stress or fear, such as in war, all people will believe in, or hope for, a higher power.
The origin of the quotation is uncertain. U. S. Military Chaplain William Thomas Cummings may have said it in a field sermon during the Battle of Bataan in 1942.

The above gleaned from Wikipedia.

But atheists are on a mission and what we see here is a "toe in the water" and a very coy way of moving on to more "troubling thoughts" that they have with the believers.
Get prayer out of the schools, bibles out of motels, no crosses anywhere, and minimize any faith.

[Cisco Kid]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Ohhhh Cisco!

I have been spanked so many times even I can spot them.

I am slow, but I get there.