[perrjojo]

Is the atmosphere of TV really changing or is it that the "other online news" reports every little thing that goes wrong in TV?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by VT2TV

I have no problem doing the math of the 80/20 rule. But I could have sworn that I read in one of the POA or HOA papers several months ago that a developer could actually over ride that . I doubt that they would because there are bound to be various incentives for that rule. But does anyone know anything about the developer over riding the rule or was I asleep when I read the paper. Wonder if it gets to be a problem there is any adjustments or fewer numbers of young people who are eligible to reside here. And finally, does anyone know how or if anyone is even attempting to keep track of the under 55 numbers. I personally know a LOT of people who have kids and/or even grandkids living with them, not to mention the huge number of under 55 who buy here. I am not totally against people under 55, it would be nice to have some smaller number that are allowed. No flames please, I am just asking questions to see if anyone know the answers.

Children are a deed violation. Call Community Standards.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by VT2TV

I have no problem doing the math of the 80/20 rule. But I could have sworn that I read in one of the POA or HOA papers several months ago that a developer could actually over ride that . I doubt that they would because there are bound to be various incentives for that rule. But does anyone know anything about the developer over riding the rule or was I asleep when I read the paper. Wonder if it gets to be a problem there is any adjustments or fewer numbers of young people who are eligible to reside here. And finally, does anyone know how or if anyone is even attempting to keep track of the under 55 numbers. I personally know a LOT of people who have kids and/or even grandkids living with them, not to mention the huge number of under 55 who buy here. I am not totally against people under 55, it would be nice to have some smaller number that are allowed. No flames please, I am just asking questions to see if anyone know the answers.

You may not have a problem with the math, but a lot of people have a problem understanding the rule. Under the 80/20 rule, up to 80% of the people living in The Villages could be under 55.

The other thing as someone already pointed out is that we are a community of over 100,000 people and still growing. Look at the crime rates of other cities of that size in this country and you'll dee that we have a very small problem. Of course if you read a certain online newspaper every morning you'll see that almost every day one or two people are arrested for something. That might seem like a lot but read the police reports of other cities of 100,000 people and you'll se that what we have in a month, they have in a day.

If you think that there is going to be zero crime, you are living in fantasy land.

Additionally, some of those arrested are over 55. So the small problem that we have is not caused 100% by younger people living here.

[blueash]

Out of curiosity I did a search using the term DUI on the electronic news site. I then selected only those stories where the person was a Villager and sorted by age decade. Note that this only found stories with DUI in the story. For instance the recent story of a young man on a cart path at night with his brake lights on (very suspicious) does not have DUI in the story thus it was not a hit.

I went back several pages and had 26 stories:

Age 20 - 29 0
30 - 39 5
40 - 49 4
50 - 59 6
60 - 69 7
70 + 4

There were 17 men and 9 women

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

You may not have a problem with the math, but a lot of people have a problem understanding the rule. Under the 80/20 rule, up to 80% of the people living in The Villages could be under 55.

The other thing as someone already pointed out is that we are a community of over 100,000 people and still growing. Look at the crime rates of other cities of that size in this country and you'll dee that we have a very small problem. Of course if you read a certain online newspaper every morning you'll see that almost every day one or two people are arrested for something. That might seem like a lot but read the police reports of other cities of 100,000 people and you'll se that what we have in a month, they have in a day.

If you think that there is going to be zero crime, you are living in fantasy land.

Additionally, some of those arrested are over 55. So the small problem that we have is not caused 100% by younger people living here.

Hey doc, isn't it 20% under 55?

[N44125]

Blueash..nice work. Your analysis certainly puts things in perspective as to which age group is causing the majority of the problems. Thanks for the effort.

[redwitch]

When I first moved here, my daughter lived with me. My neighbors loved her! She was kind, helpful, considerate. Once she found a job and had saved some money, she moved out. One neighbor kindly suggested that I move to her apartment and she stay here.

There are several young adults living in TV with their parents mainly for economic reasons. The majority are great neighbors. Yes, some kids here have issues and some get in trouble and some are downright bad news but the majority are not.

As to there being more crime here today, I'm not convinced. We wanted a source letting us know everything going on in TV. We now have it. Sadly, it lets us know that there are people in TV that are not always good and that use poor judgment. My gut feeling is that these people were around and being arrested as long as TV existed, we just didn't know about it.

[rubicon]

Is perception someone's reality? The 80/20 rule is a standard application for retirement communities and it means age 55+ 80% of population under 55 20%..It was easy to forecast these the state of The Village because these complaints were raised by a few of us long ago but our concerns were shut out by residents that didn't care or didn't want to know. A few mis-characterized it as animus against/toward the Developer .

[ajbrown]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

You may not have a problem with the math, but a lot of people have a problem understanding the rule. Under the 80/20 rule, up to 80% of the people living in The Villages could be under 55.

<stuff snipped by Alan>

Although, I suspect you made a typo, your statement is not wrong. Nothing in the housing act prevents 90% of the people living in The Villages from being under 55 and still qualify as a 55 and over community. The act is not about ownership, it simply states at least 80 percent of the occupied units must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or greater

So imagine in my exaggerated example, the homeowner is 30, living with his wife (32), his father who is 57, his father's wife who is 49, their brother-in-law and his wife who are 26.

That situation qualifies as over 55 household.

[NotGolfer]

Originally Posted by redwitch

There are several young adults living in TV with their parents mainly for economic reasons. The majority are great neighbors. Yes, some kids here have issues and some get in trouble and some are downright bad news but the majority are not.

As to there being more crime here today, I'm not convinced. We wanted a source letting us know everything going on in TV. We now have it. Sadly, it lets us know that there are people in TV that are not always good and that use poor judgment. My gut feeling is that these people were around and being arrested as long as TV existed, we just didn't know about it.

I was going to post exactly what you said in the "bold" type, Redwitch! I'd venture to say that there is even still much more going on that doesn't make the papers as well. We don't live in a gilded world....wish we did however.

As for several posters, I know of one house a few blocks from where we lived that always has cars in the driveway (as in staying there) and the place is unkempt (it's south of 466) by the rest of the neighborhood standards. I'm quite surprised that their immediate neighbors haven't complained about that part. We surmise that the parent(s) bought the place and ALL the kids and relatives there of come and use it as a vacation place....at least that's what it looks like to us. I have no problem with family coming but at least keep the place up.

[manaboutown]

It seems to me the issue many folks are having with "wild" young adults residing within The Villages is that it alters the character from that of a 55 and over retirement community. Most mature adults who move to a 55 and over community want to live in a 55 and over community, not among the population at large. That is why they make the move in the first place. Granted some residents will require adult children or paid attendants living with them as caretakers. In some cases the caretaking children themselves are over 55.

Problems arise when the bungee kids are those with substance abuse problems, serious criminal records or are otherwise disruptive and incapable of doing life on their own. Many parents tend to take in such malfeasors which of course increases crime within the community.

The Villages is not the only 55 and over community in which this is happening which I realize is not comforting in the least.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

It seems to me the issue many folks are having with "wild" young adults residing within The Villages is that it alters the character from that of a 55 and over retirement community. Most mature adults who move to a 55 and over community want to live in a 55 and over community, not among the population at large. That is why they make the move in the first place. Granted some residents will require adult children or paid attendants living with them as caretakers. In some cases the caretaking children themselves are over 55.

Problems arise when the bungee kids are those with substance abuse problems, serious criminal records or are otherwise disruptive and incapable of doing life on their own. Many parents tend to take in such malfeasors which of course increases crime within the community.

The Villages is not the only 55 and over community in which this is happening which I realize is not comforting in the least.

I disagree that it alters the image of TV. I do believe that it reflects a normal statistical presence found in any community.

I also believe increased communications of instances that have been ongoing but are now known do make it "seem" like things are getting worse. In reality they are not. Just the visibility has now been raised.

TV is more than double from when we built here in 2004. It is a much larger shopping community than when we moved here. For us TV has only improved over the years.

We just do not believe in allowing the minority (not race) or isolated incidents change the perspective....which media emphasis tends to promote.

[2BNTV]

People used to complain The Daily Fun only reported good news items, as it was the developer's paper, or tool. The Daily Sun now reports these type of problems and people complain about these types of episodes in TV, as if there is a major crime wave.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, even though it's my birthday.

As Red said, I suspect these type of things happened before, but were never reported. You have to expect some element of crimes happening, with a population of 110,000. To expect zero crimes, is unrealistic. That is a pretty big town, not to mention the surrounding area population, that comes into TV.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I disagree that it alters the image of TV. I do believe that it reflects a normal statistical presence found in any community...

Agree 100%.

[Wandatime]

Originally Posted by onslowe

Please look again. A 23 year old Villager and a 28 year old Villager were arrested. What the OP is complaining about, as I am, is the summer long parade of under 55's and who are listed as "Villagers" being arrested each week it seems.

This is not a game of tag. To refer to seniors being arrested is to deflect the focus from the problem, the long array of younger people getting into serious trouble with the law here - as residents. Please deal with the topic and don't imply the OP is lying or off his rocker. That's smokescreening and dishonest.

The problem is not the 80/20 rule. All sorts of snappy mathematicians can prove the inherent flaws in such a system and still have the system 'technically' valid. Not the point. The spirit of the 80/20 rule is being violated.

I bought here in reliance upon certain very pronounced items, like it being essentially a retirement community. I did not really get that, and it seems that I am getting less and less of it as each week goes by.

Another person or family trust or such buys a place here and rents it out to anyone who can breathe and walk and pay rent. Age doesn't matter. Apparently references don't either in all too many cases.

Last year it was a meth lab set up by some sterling under 55 tenants. This summer we had stolen beer cases and golf cart chases, lots of DWI's, and so on all performed by these persons who are certainly not retirement age. This week's arrests included cocaine possession. How does one support a drug habit? Hmmmm.

There is apparently no oversight and no review of these landlords who seemingly don't care a damn about what we worked for and what we thought we were buying into.

Please take a break from liberal platitudes and ever so 'rational' and snide observations and consider this is, for most of us, our biggest investment and our home. Maybe remember the old definition of a liberal - a person who hasn't been mugged yet.

I was with you up til that last paragraph, which was rude and unnecessary.