[DeanFL]

Heard this on news radio this morning. Even though we live in our Bubble, and some of "our guys & gals" are armed - important info for all of us for protection in the event we are faced with an active shooter/terrorist etc. Since 9/11 I have had in the back of my mind to plan to attack back if confronted and try not to cower and become an easy target. Can only hope, if in that situation, that some could muster that strength..."Let's Roll"...>

Our new message for our citizens is based on the reality of today's threat. Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey

BREVARD SHERIFF WAYNE IVEY 4: AWARENESS, AVOID, ARM YOURSELF, ATTACK

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Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey Revised Active Shooter Awareness Message For Citizens |

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

Heard this on news radio this morning. Even though we live in our Bubble, and some of "our guys & gals" are armed - important info for all of us for protection in the event we are faced with an active shooter/terrorist etc. Since 9/11 I have had in the back of my mind to plan to attack back if confronted and try not to cower and become an easy target. Can only hope, if in that situation, that some could muster that strength..."Let's Roll"...>

Our new message for our citizens is based on the reality of today's threat. Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey

BREVARD SHERIFF WAYNE IVEY 4: AWARENESS, AVOID, ARM YOURSELF, ATTACK

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Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey Revised Active Shooter Awareness Message For Citizens |

I saw that too. It could happen here in the Villages. Very improbable but it is best to be prepared.

The local police are well-armed and well-trained too. Calling 911 should be people's first thought in these situations and running for it.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It's not enough to simply arm yourself. Every responsible gun owner needs to do training. Go to the range on a regular basis and do situational training on a simulator. Practice often.

[John_W]

In 2011 there was about 900,000 concealed weapons permits in Florida. Since this Orlando shooting I have read it is now 1.8 million. That's double in just 5 years. With a population of 20 million, roughly one in every ten has a concealed weapon in Florida.

The problem with the Orlando shooting was it happened in a place that serves mainly alcohol, off limits to those who carry a concealed weapon. Had it happen at one of the squares, a regular restaurant or movie theater here in TV, I think the outcome would of been different. In fact, I always believe that's why we haven't had a mass shooting in Florida until this latest. In the past we've had mass shootings in states with strict gun laws such as California #1 and Connecticut #5.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

It's not enough to simply arm yourself. Every responsible gun owner needs to do training. Go to the range on a regular basis and do situational training on a simulator. Practice often.

That is needed. People with concealed weapons permits should be proficient with these arms.

I would probably shoot myself in the foot if I carried a pistol or somewhere much worse.

[MikeV]

Good information and a civil discussion. Nice.

[JoelJohnson]

Years ago an Massachusetts officer killed a black man while the black man was holding another man at bay in a car. Upon going to that black man it turned out to be a fellow officer that the officer worked with and knew very well.

How could this happen? In the heat of the moment the officer, who was veteran officer, lost focus. And this is not the first time that kind of thing has happened.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't have guns, as far as I'm concerned you can have as many as you want.

What I am concerned with is that at the moment of engagement, a good man with a gun may make a fatal mistake and shoot the wrong person.

When Gabby Gifford was shot, one of the "good guys with a gun" came upon the scene and, according to his own account, "came within seconds of shooting an innocent person".

A few weeks ago in Texas, a man with his wife and child saw another man arguing with a girl, then the guy took out a gun and shot the women. The guy left and got into his car. The father went out with his, legal gun, and stood in front of the guys car and ordered him to get out. The guy got out and shot the father dead.

If a well trained officer can make a mistake, what's makes anyone think that they, even with some training, can do better.

If there is no choice, in other words there is no place to retreat to or your own family is in direct danger, then if you can, take the chance. But remember, your family would rather have a live chicken then a dead duck.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by John_W

In 2011 there was about 900,000 concealed weapons permits in Florida. Since this Orlando shooting I have read it is now 1.8 million. That's double in just 5 years. With a population of 20 million, roughly one in every ten has a concealed weapon in Florida.

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Plus all the out of state permits that now live in Florida.

[Gpsma]

My brothers neighbor shot himself in the leg last year with his glock.

Like drivers licenses, some seniors in the villages need to realize when to give up their guns.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson

...If a well trained officer can make a mistake, what's makes anyone think that they, even with some training, can do better...

The only mistake the police made was he didn't recognize the other officer. Same thing happens in the miliary with friendly fire.

How much actual training do soldiers receive in basic training to handle a weapon and recognize a situation. Of course those with advanced training in infantry and similar fields, but how about the soldiers in peripheral positions thrust into close combat situations. You can say they had inadequate training, but you can train forever and not face every situation.

You want to use logic, but most of these situations are controlled by emotions. You can't regulate emotions, you can practice for it, but no one knows until they're actually faced with a situation.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by John_W

The only mistake the police made was he didn't recognize the other officer. Same thing happens in the miliary with friendly fire.

How much actual training do soldiers receive in basic training to handle a weapon and recognize a situation. Of course those with advanced training in infantry and similar fields, but how about the soldiers in peripheral positions thrust into close combat situations. You can say they had inadequate training, but you can train forever and not face every situation.

You want to use logic, but most of these situations are controlled by emotions. You can't regulate emotions, you can practice for it, but no one knows until they're actually faced with a situation.

Great point. Some officers probably never draw their weapons in some communities. Simulated exercises probably help a little bit though as they would at least prompt some of the fight or flee emotions.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

My brothers neighbor shot himself in the leg last year with his glock.

Like drivers licenses, some seniors in the villages need to realize when to give up their guns.

And others need to practice on a regular basis. Using the range the one and only time you apply for your permit is just not enough. When I go to practice every once in awhile I like to ask the range officer to observe me for opportunities to improve. It's like golf, having a little professional oversight goes a long way.


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[rjm1cc]

Originally Posted by John_W

In 2011 there was about 900,000 concealed weapons permits in Florida. Since this Orlando shooting I have read it is now 1.8 million. That's double in just 5 years. With a population of 20 million, roughly one in every ten has a concealed weapon in Florida.

The problem with the Orlando shooting was it happened in a place that serves mainly alcohol, off limits to those who carry a concealed weapon. Had it happen at one of the squares, a regular restaurant or movie theater here in TV, I think the outcome would of been different. In fact, I always believe that's why we haven't had a mass shooting in Florida until this latest. In the past we've had mass shootings in states with strict gun laws such as California #1 and Connecticut #5.

I think you will find that a lot of your neighbors have had training in the use of a gun. I know in my neighborhood we have a couple of former special services members, a CIA person and several policemen.

[villagetinker]

There are lots of valid points above. I wonder if a non-lethal device (gun with plastic/rubber bullets, bean bag round, etc, stun gun, or similar) would be sufficient to stun the shooter, and allow lots of people to overpower the shooter. This keeps the person responding to a shooter from killing someone by accident, but provides a possible way to overpower a shooter.
I do have concerns about the potential for accidents if there are lots of armed senior citizens running around with loaded guns.

Please do not shoot (pun intended) me, this is just my humble opinion.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

I wonder if a non-lethal device (gun with plastic/rubber bullets, bean bag round, etc, stun gun, or similar) would be sufficient to stun the shooter, and allow lots of people to overpower the shooter. This keeps the person responding to a shooter from killing someone by accident, but provides a possible way to overpower a shooter.
I do have concerns about the potential for accidents if there are lots of armed senior citizens running around with loaded guns.

Interesting comment re non-lethal devices.