[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

We need a law that prevents people with mental illness from having guns.

Oh wait! We already have that law. Once again it is demonstrated that laws don't prevent crimes.

In this case, by the way, the guy never actually fired a shot at anyone. He pointed a rifle at his therapist and told him he wanted him to listen to him. A struggle ensued and the gun accidentally discharged.

He was armed to the teeth and may have had plans to do a mass shooting, but we won't know that until the investigation is completed.

I wonder what was so important that the therapist might have been ignoring? Sounds like another failure of the VA Health System. It's time that we dismantled the VA Health System and just give our veterans Medicare and a free supplemental plan just like those of us over 65.

We do need more education about mental illness and the like. He really does not look mentally ill to me. Which is the same with many of these people who use violence or the threat of violence to express their rage about something or other.

It certainly looks like he planned something more from the article in The Villages Daily Sun today. They stopped him though.

The mentally ill are usually the victims of crimes and not its perpetrators. Study Shows Mentally Ill More Likely to Be Victims, Not Perpetrators, of Violence | NC State News | NC State University

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I wonder what was so important that the therapist might have been ignoring? Sounds like another failure of the VA Health System. It's time that we dismantled the VA Health System and just give our veterans Medicare and a free supplemental plan just like those of us over 65.

Given that he just went thru a divorce it could just as easily been a denial of service connected benefits because the therapist wouldn't write what he wanted in the records. To automatically blame the VA Health System without the facts is again insulting to people that worked there and saw all sides of the problems and how often people try to manipulate the system.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

Given that he just went thru a divorce it could just as easily been a denial of service connected benefits because the therapist wouldn't write what he wanted in the records. To automatically blame the VA Health System without the facts is again insulting to people that worked there and saw all sides of the problems and how often people try to manipulate the system.

We probably will never hear all the facts unless we are on this man's jury and even then they will be spotlighted in certain ways by the lawyers.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

We probably will never hear all the facts unless we are on this man's jury and even then they will be spotlighted in certain ways by the lawyers.

WHAT!!!!!! Lawyers not telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth????? Hard to imagine.........

[Mickedamouse24]

My thoughts on this fella are truly mixed and I wish him the best care he can get! However, my rant is how in the "hell!" did he get inside and to the center of the building, armed to the teeth and no one slowed him down!!?? Normally, there are two to three volunteer greeters at the main entrance plus the VA Police office is right there on the right as you enter!! Looks as though a lot of people were not paying attention! This could have been a major situation with multiple fatalities! VA Police, this is on you! Get out of your office and watch what happens at the front door! I do think replacing the ones on duty at the time and more training is in store for the volunteers!!! Got lucky this time!!!

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by Mickedamouse24

My thoughts on this fella are truly mixed and I wish him the best care he can get! However, my rant is how in the "hell!" did he get inside and to the center of the building, armed to the teeth and no one slowed him down!!?? Normally, there are two to three volunteer greeters at the main entrance plus the VA Police office is right there on the right as you enter!! Looks as though a lot of people were not paying attention! This could have been a major situation with multiple fatalities! VA Police, this is on you! Get out of your office and watch what happens at the front door! I do think replacing the ones on duty at the time and more training is in store for the volunteers!!! Got lucky this time!!!

So you're putting most of this on the unarmed volunteers? Seriously? And as many times as I've been to the VA with my dad, I don't recall seeing any officers. It would be the same as if someone had walked into the hospital. Would you want the nice ladies at the front door to intervene with an armed person?

[bbbbbb]

Originally Posted by jnieman

I have learned a long time ago to be my own advocate. If I don't watch out for myself no one will.

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Yep you need to really be aware of some medical tricks now.
1. At one clinic, I told them that Cipro was very bad for me, put it in your computer, have it on record, no Cipro, an Antibiotic. OK the PA then specified Cipro, the Pharmacist caught it, on the paperwork, in bold print, Cipro is not recommended for some patients with an allergy to it.
2. At another clinic the doctor stood us up twice, not once, twice. Then his PA tried to convince us we did not need the doctor, wow. Then the PA started ordering a batch of tests,,,,,,,, a big batch.
Be careful, as others have said, better be careful and be aware. Now, if we go into a clinic, first Question is?
Is the Doctor here and present to see me? IF not, then leave.
Really strange what is going on in Medical.

[Mickedamouse24]

No photo1902! I am putting this on the folks that are responsible for security at this clinic! Whether it be greeters that can plainly see something suspicious or the VA Police, whose office is directly on the right as you walk in the front door!! You're right, maybe you have not seen any the times you were there because they were out glad handing around the building instead of paying attention to what and who comes in the front door! I suspect their office is located at the front door so they can monitor what and or who is passing through! I go to this clinic on many occasions and only ask that these folks do their jobs and keep it safe for all! If you want to twist my statement to suit yourself, feel free!!!

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by Mickedamouse24

No photo1902! I am putting this on the folks that are responsible for security at this clinic! Whether it be greeters that can plainly see something suspicious or the VA Police, whose office is directly on the right as you walk in the front door!! You're right, maybe you have not seen any the times you were there because they were out glad handing around the building instead of paying attention to what and who comes in the front door! I suspect their office is located at the front door so they can monitor what and or who is passing through! I go to this clinic on many occasions and only ask that these folks do their jobs and keep it safe for all! If you want to twist my statement to suit yourself, feel free!!!

I blame one person, and one person only....the guy with the gun. Period.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

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Yep you need to really be aware of some medical tricks now.
1. At one clinic, I told them that Cipro was very bad for me, put it in your computer, have it on record, no Cipro, an Antibiotic. OK the PA then specified Cipro, the Pharmacist caught it, on the paperwork, in bold print, Cipro is not recommended for some patients with an allergy to it.
2. At another clinic the doctor stood us up twice, not once, twice. Then his PA tried to convince us we did not need the doctor, wow. Then the PA started ordering a batch of tests,,,,,,,, a big batch.
Be careful, as others have said, better be careful and be aware. Now, if we go into a clinic, first Question is?
Is the Doctor here and present to see me? IF not, then leave.
Really strange what is going on in Medical.

Most of us go to our own chosen Primary Care Physician.

Where do you go to a "Clinic"?