[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

How about this. I'm having chest pains, I call 911 and I pass out while talking to the operator. The call goes out to all in the neighborhood. They arrive and find all the doors are locked. They can't get in to start compressions. CW shows up and says I can't break the door down. Fire Rescue shows up and says I CAN. Meanwhile, I died lying on the floor. As a neighbor, would YOU break the door down?

Life has winners and losers………….

[birdbob]

Originally Posted by NoMo50

We have an AED program in our neighborhood. A huge part of the program is having neighbors trained as responders. That training is centered on CPR, but also includes AED usage. If 6 minutes is an average, then obviously there are response times greater than that. We have had several call-outs for actual cardiac events since our program was initiated, and never once have the paramedics gotten to the scene before the neighborhood responders. I am very thankful to live in a Village with neighbors who care about each other.

Thanks for the Actual data...
For me, It is a 13 minute drive from the closest firehouse (assuming they aren't out on another call).
Looking forward to implementing our neighborhood Emergency Response program!

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

How about this. I'm having chest pains, I call 911 and I pass out while talking to the operator. The call goes out to all in the neighborhood. They arrive and find all the doors are locked. They can't get in to start compressions. CW shows up and says I can't break the door down. Fire Rescue shows up and says I CAN. Meanwhile, I died lying on the floor. As a neighbor, would YOU break the door down?

If you called 911, and no one came to the door to open....i would think a quick due diligence of the windows....the doors coming down! Unless there were contingencies on file. They can deal with the mail order attorney later

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

If you called 911, and no one came to the door to open....i would think a quick due diligence of the windows....the doors coming down! Unless there were contingencies on file. They can deal with the mail order attorney later

Is that what you learned in your ERT training session? Is it professional legal advice? Or is it just your opinion without the mail order service?

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

How about this. I'm having chest pains, I call 911 and I pass out while talking to the operator. The call goes out to all in the neighborhood. They arrive and find all the doors are locked. They can't get in to start compressions. CW shows up and says I can't break the door down. Fire Rescue shows up and says I CAN. Meanwhile, I died lying on the floor. As a neighbor, would YOU break the door down?

Don't most 911 operators stay with a person in such an emergency, ask if the door is open for access, and if not, or they lost contact with the caller, notify responders, whom after being informed, would act accordingly, and gain/force entry.

Most of the front doors of properties we rented would open with a credit card, let alone a hefty size 12 boot.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Is that what you learned in your ERT training session? Is it professional legal advice? Or is it just your opinion without the mail order service?

I was addressing it from E 911 uniformed response scenario. Happens all the time. Not neighborhood ERT. As his/her neighbor, me...not ERT, would break in the door. Have had to in the past as non uniformed for a neighbor (outside TV of course). Here in TV, an especially litigious society, I'd do the same and deal with the noise later. Again sir, not as a member of the neighborhood ERT!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Not an issue……not everyone is paranoid.

OBTW only the association secretary has the emails. Quit looking for a flaw!

Who's looking for a flaw?

Certainly not me! I'm one of the biggest proponent of the program!

I just was making a comment about how some people are loathe to give out their email. I see it daily, in my practice...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

You are trying very hard to get people to understand how the system works. It appears that there are some who do not want to let go of their pre-conceived, uninformed thoughts.

My concern is that their comments may influence others and negatively affect a neighborhood's ability to implement a program. A life could be lost because people became convinced that it was not needed. That would be a genuine shame.

And THAT is why I am trying "very hard" to get people to understand how the system works!

I've been "unlucky" enough to have performed CPR on several occasions.

It's very stressful for the responders. Thank god, they all survived (but one succumbed to a 2nd MI later that evening...)

I hope that no one has to go thru that (either as a patient or as a volunteer...)

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Don't most 911 operators stay with a person in such an emergency, ask if the door is open for access, and if not, or they lost contact with the caller, notify responders, whom after being informed, would act accordingly, and gain/force entry.

Most of the front doors of properties we rented would open with a credit card, let alone a hefty size 12 boot.

Please... Don't confuse the issue with factual information...

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Please... Don't confuse the issue with factual information...

A lot of friendly fire on this one my friend. They've been on this for so many weeks...theyve stopped reading before posting. Like you, I've been nothing but supportive of the volunteers. Maybe theyre keeping this thread open for the advertisers to chime in!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Who's looking for a flaw?

Certainly not me! I'm one of the biggest proponent of the program!

I just was making a comment about how some people are loathe to give out their email. I see it daily, in my practice...

Sorry didn’t mean to step on your toes.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Sorry didn’t mean to step on your toes.

[Moderator]

Please return to topic of thread AED Collection

[Retiring]

I’m in the village of St. Catherine. I recall we were asked to donate $250. I know there are those on fixed incomes that simply can’t spare $250. so I gave $500. I ask those in the villages gathering funds for AEDs, if you can spare more than requested please do so. Yes, some will not donate because they don’t believe in AEDs, some will not donate because they’re cheap but some really can’t afford to. It is for the latter that you would be donating a little extra.

[Michael 61]

Our villa community quickly solicited donations and installed a unit months after being built in early 2023 - I think most contributed, but it was made known which owners failed to contribute - that part I didn’t care for. I try and stay clear of anything that “divides” neighbors, or something that could be used as fodder for “gossip”.