[asianthree]

Originally Posted by upstate

I have performed CPR many times in over forty years and yes it can be strenuous with or without a relief. Personally, to me it's a small price to pay for the possibility of assisting in saving a life.

As most who are in the health care field many of us have slapped on the pads more than you want to count. Sometimes without good results. Sometimes good. Since I have had to do CPR many times and applied shock, I can also say I have also been given CPR and had those pads used on me.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

Yes it was! We all know that there are AED's and trained Employees in all the places listed in your attachment. Yes, there have been a few success stories associated with those locations.

The point you are missing is that there is no commonality between the location of AED's and trained personal in public places and the neighborhood AED program. All I can tell you is that hundreds of thousands have been spent on the neighborhood programs and I have yet to see a single bit of corroborated evidence that any of these neighborhood devices or volunteers have been used successfully or otherwise. Granted, in general, training of many residents in CPR is very valuable and commendable and valuable.

If you can refute what I say by providing evidence of actual life saving situations directly as a result of the neighborhood programs I might reconsider my opinion. If there are any such cases that are documented they should include details about how much faster neighborhood volunteers responded than the traditional rescue teams.

Without supporting detail, I have little choice but to maintain that the neighborhood program is excessively expensive and motivated by emotion rather than facts. Lets see some facts from the neighborhood program alone, not from the few success stories that originated in public places where the use of AED's and trained personnel has been proven to make sense.

I made no claim as the the effectiveness of the AED program. Nor that I was an expert in its development or its record in saving lives.
You are critizing the wrong person.
Or just state your opinion without copying a post.

[newguyintv]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Having been a party to some of the original studies to determine if we as a village should go forward I can tell you that your statement is unequivocally WRONG. And I suspect I am reporting like wise for many other villages that decided to go forward.

You are entitled to YOUR opinion but please do not insult those of us who in fact know better.

I did not, nor did I have any intention of insulting anyone. I am simply asking if you have FACTS to support the value of the neighborhood program. My guess is that you do not and accordingly my contention that emotion is the deciding factor is correct.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

Without supporting detail, I have little choice but to maintain that the neighborhood program is excessively expensive and motivated by emotion rather than facts. Lets see some facts from the neighborhood program alone, not from the few success stories that originated in public places where the use of AED's and trained personnel has been proven to make sense.

Excessively expensive? No. We have 64 houses in our neighborhood. The cost to buy two units with mounting hardware was less than $50 per household and part of that was because not everyone participated. Annually, we pay $15 to cover the alert service and provide a fund for replacement batteries.

Yes, the program is certainly based partly on emotion. None of the trained volunteers would be comfortable standing around unable to help one of our friends suffering a sudden cardiac event when the technology to make a great difference in their chances of survival is readily available.

I would suggest that you follow your thinking and refuse to participate in a neighborhood program. I'm sure your neighbors will respond if you need them whether you paid the "excessive" amount or not.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

Yes it was! We all know that there are AED's and trained Employees in all the places listed in your attachment. Yes, there have been a few success stories associated with those locations.



The point you are missing is that there is no commonality between the location of AED's and trained personal in public places and the neighborhood AED program. All I can tell you is that hundreds of thousands have been spent on the neighborhood programs and I have yet to see a single bit of corroborated evidence that any of these neighborhood devices or volunteers have been used successfully or otherwise. Granted, in general, training of many residents in CPR is very valuable and commendable and valuable.



If you can refute what I say by providing evidence of actual life saving situations directly as a result of the neighborhood programs I might reconsider my opinion. If there are any such cases that are documented they should include details about how much faster neighborhood volunteers responded than the traditional rescue teams.



Without supporting detail, I have little choice but to maintain that the neighborhood program is excessively expensive and motivated by emotion rather than facts. Lets see some facts from the neighborhood program alone, not from the few success stories that originated in public places where the use of AED's and trained personnel has been proven to make sense.

Wow! The fact of a higher survival rate has already been noted.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Excessively expensive? No. We have 64 houses in our neighborhood. The cost to buy two units with mounting hardware was less than $50 per household and part of that was because not everyone participated. Annually, we pay $15 to cover the alert service and provide a fund for replacement batteries.

Yes, the program is certainly based partly on emotion. None of the trained volunteers would be comfortable standing around unable to help one of our friends suffering a sudden cardiac event when the technology to make a great difference in their chances of survival is readily available.

I would suggest that you follow your thinking and refuse to participate in a neighborhood program. I'm sure your neighbors will respond if you need them whether you paid the "excessive" amount or not.

Well stated.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

I did not, nor did I have any intention of insulting anyone. I am simply asking if you have FACTS to support the value of the neighborhood program. My guess is that you do not and accordingly my contention that emotion is the deciding factor is correct.

Actually, you're the one that went off topic. The OP was not asking for facts. The OP was asking for anecdotal experiences. Then njbchbm posed the question about AEDs at the rec centers, to which Bogie supplied a link.

This is the way TOTV works. And it does work.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

I did not, nor did I have any intention of insulting anyone. I am simply asking if you have FACTS to support the value of the neighborhood program. My guess is that you do not and accordingly my contention that emotion is the deciding factor is correct.

You may have your contention or opinion all day long......as one is entitled to such. It does not entitle one to make a personal arbitrary condition of validity.

The tenor of the posts have an all too familiar ring.

Be happy I your quest!

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by billethkid

You may have your contention or opinion all day long......as one is entitled to such. It does not entitle one to make a personal arbitrary condition of validity.



The tenor of the posts have an all too familiar ring.



Be happy I your quest!

I'm just happy my village is covered and we have enough friends who care to participate in the program. It works in hospitals and I have no doubt it works in neighborhoods.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by dbussone

I'm just happy my village is covered and we have enough friends who care to participate in the program. It works in hospitals and I have no doubt it works in neighborhoods.

Oh I wish I could have been alert enough to think of that response:

It works in hospitals

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Oh I wish I could have been alert enough to think of that response:



It works in hospitals

In our neighborhood the drills have similar response times to codes called hospitals. No need to be facetious.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by dbussone

In our neighborhood the drills have similar response times to codes called hospitals. No need to be facetious.

And I should also note the training is the same minus the use of drugs - until EMS arrives.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

Yes it was! We all know that there are AED's and trained Employees in all the places listed in your attachment. Yes, there have been a few success stories associated with those locations.

The point you are missing is that there is no commonality between the location of AED's and trained personal in public places and the neighborhood AED program. All I can tell you is that hundreds of thousands have been spent on the neighborhood programs and I have yet to see a single bit of corroborated evidence that any of these neighborhood devices or volunteers have been used successfully or otherwise. Granted, in general, training of many residents in CPR is very valuable and commendable and valuable.

If you can refute what I say by providing evidence of actual life saving situations directly as a result of the neighborhood programs I might reconsider my opinion. If there are any such cases that are documented they should include details about how much faster neighborhood volunteers responded than the traditional rescue teams.

Without supporting detail, I have little choice but to maintain that the neighborhood program is excessively expensive and motivated by emotion rather than facts. Lets see some facts from the neighborhood program alone, not from the few success stories that originated in public places where the use of AED's and trained personnel has been proven to make sense.

You may be right, but you assuredly won't be the most sought after at the Holiday party if you don't kick in. Do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy? Those folks are who you are gonna be runnin' into at the mailbox and when you are walkin' your dog.

Plus...it is nice to know they are there. Cost is two or three couple meals out. Ya never know. You just never know. Talk about how embarrassing it would be if it saved your life and you didn't support it financially.


PLUS....don't you think the golf course conditions have improved in the last few weeks????

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Oh I wish I could have been alert enough to think of that response:

It works in hospitals

I think I was too quick with a response that was neither appropriate nor thoughtful. I apologize.

[zonerboy]

No offense intended, but I'm not all that sure I want any of my neighbors zapping my chest. CPR is fine, but I'd just as soon wait for the paramedics to determine if I need shocking.
There are many reasons other than a "cardiac event" that could cause a person to pass out or collapse. And even if the cause is cardiac only a few such situations are responsive to defibrillation.
Just my personal opinion.
Maybe I need to get a tattoo on my chest stating my preferences.