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Old 09-17-2020, 08:00 AM
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There is a reason why the post office loses $8 billion a year. If you can, always vote in person. There is plenty of opportunity with the early voting in place.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:00 AM
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Vote in person , no one is so busy they need a mail in vote period . Voter fraud is real , and improperly filled out ballots are destroyed.
my problem with voting in person is that there is no back up to the computer. this is what Florida has: Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) Systems: DRE systems employ computers that record votes directly into the computers' memory. These interfaces may incorporate touchscreens, dials, or mechanical buttons. The voter's choices are stored by the computer on a cartridge or hard drive.

Florida has DRE with no paper back up unlike other states. we know this happened in 2016: Russian hackers breached the systems of two county elections systems in Florida in 2016, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday at a news conference. DeSantis said no data were tampered with and vote tallies were not affected.

so I'm more concerned about interference. at least by voting by mail there will be a paper ballot to check if necessary.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:03 AM
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I was looking for undelivered packages at the postal station. A woman was there in a USPS van and had a USPS shirt. She was unable to help or answer any questions, saying “he” wasn’t there and she hoped “he “ would come today.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:11 AM
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IMO if you don't care enough about your vote to submit it in person, then you vote is not important. Even before this virus, whenever I voted the ONLY time I was near anyone was when I waited briefly in line with others. IF you going to vote in person now, you stand your distance, so problem solved.
Mail in voting is different from Absentee voting. There is no reason for mail in voting and it's just another excuse to object to the final election results by complaining about the count or vote tampering. IMO mail in voting is UN-Constitutional because the Constitution mandates that every voter be an American citizen. There is no proof of citizenship by mail in voting. As a matter of fact, there is no proof of citizenship without voter ID, therefore our elections are UN-Constitutional. The honor system is NOT proof of citizenship.

And if the subject of "mail in voting" is not political and violation of forum rules then please define what constitutes "political" material on here.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:15 AM
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my problem with voting in person is that there is no back up to the computer. this is what Florida has: Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) Systems: DRE systems employ computers that record votes directly into the computers' memory. These interfaces may incorporate touchscreens, dials, or mechanical buttons. The voter's choices are stored by the computer on a cartridge or hard drive.

Florida has DRE with no paper back up unlike other states. we know this happened in 2016: Russian hackers breached the systems of two county elections systems in Florida in 2016, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday at a news conference. DeSantis said no data were tampered with and vote tallies were not affected.

so I'm more concerned about interference. at least by voting by mail there will be a paper ballot to check if necessary.

EVERY time I have voted in Florida, I have voted in person and used a paper ballot at the polling station. Of course, I have always voted during the early voting cycle. My vote was signed and registered, and the machine counted the vote because I check the meter/counter on the machine when I submit my ballot.
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:21 AM
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First of all, I don't think anyone has a major issue with ABSENTEE voting where a voter requests a ballot, but DO have a major problem with states mass mailing ballots out to all registered voters regardless of whether they intend to vote or not. Big difference.

And second, if anyone doesn't think there is much voter fraud, then I'm just shaking my head. There was a story in a major east coast newspaper a week or so ago detailed by the person who did it in New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania how it has been done for decades. He also trained others who then trained others how to do it. It was a large scale operation, run like the mafia he said.

Some of the ways it was done:

They had people in nursing homes "help" residents fill out their ballots.
They had postal employees who knew their route was in a particular voting demographic who would then just dump all the ballots and were willing to sacrifice some of "their" ballots knowing more of the other party's ballots wouldn't get counted.
They had people knocking on doors claiming to be from the election commission and that they would deliver the homeowners ballots to the precinct. Shockingly, many voters did this because - lazy. They would steam open the ballot envelope and substitute a new one marked for the preferred candidates and sealed back up. The signature card in the ballot envelope wasn't disturbed, so the ballot was then "guaranteed" authentic when it came time to tally it.
All the thousands of altered mail in ballots collected would then be put in mailboxes throughout the city/community so as not to raise suspicion.

He said it worked best in local elections where a few hundred votes could swing an election, but that it was also done in state and national elections as well. Don't forget, George W. Bush officially won Florida in 2000 by 537 votes.

So, yeah, voter fraud is a thing. And it's bigger than most people realize. It's just that the fraudsters have gotten so good at it over time that it is hard to detect, which is why one party always claims it isn't happening. And it's the party that almost always seems to benefit from it.

If a voter doesn't feel safe going to the polls, then be proactive and request an absentee ballot, fill it out and then drop it off at the appropriate location.

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Old 09-17-2020, 08:29 AM
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It is well known that in cities like Chicago lots of dead folk still find a way to vote. Some times after being a lifelong member of one party they suddenly decide to change to the other party.

Who would have thought.
From Chicago (CBS) a snippet, full article link below:
"Those are just a few of the cases CBS 2 Investigators found by merging Chicago Board of Election voter histories with the death master file from the Social Security Administration.

In all, the analysis showed 119 dead people have voted a total of 229 times in Chicago in the last decade.

Jim Allen, a city election board spokesman, says a majority of those dead voters were most likely clerical errors, involving family members with the same names and addresses."

My opinion - I cannot think of any system in our country that services 331Million people that doesn't have a few flaws, errors, glitches in it. If we consider 229 times over a DECADE a lot, it sounds like someone is trying to create something where there is almost nothing.

Chicago Voters Cast Ballots From Beyond The Grave – CBS Chicago
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Old 09-17-2020, 08:34 AM
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I used to supervise postal services at my military installation. If our boxes are treated the same, USPS delivers our bulk mail to us, from there we(non USPS personnel) then sort it into distribution boxes. Hence, USPS responsibility ends with that drop off(i.e. considers it delivered). So, perhaps that's what people are referring to as contractors? Just the ones inside sorting?
As for USPS and their concerns, they're quite upset that their overtime has been removed. They counted on that, and used it to their advantage. So, they're just stoking the flames, hoping they can change the policy.
As for any hints of fraud, it's not the USPS, it's the ballot handlers and/or harvesters!
Here's to clicking your heels, and hoping to get thru 2020!
Heads-up to those who believe their mail is being delivered by the postal workers:
Some of the contracted employees wear T-shirts or regular shirts with USPS on them. Thats why it appears to some that they’re regular letter carriers. The aren’t wearing postal worker uniforms.

In addition, why would anyone making minimum wage want to destroy the mail, since, if caught, it’s a FEDERAL offense (time served in prisons with real hardened criminals) to do so? That’s a real risk not worth taking.
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:11 AM
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A Villages mail carrier just shared this with me.

I have told many customers that if you care about your vote please do not put it through the mail. And that’s highly unfortunate to say but, I do see and hear about the issues the office is having with standard letters and bills. I strongly suggest voting in person, and spreading that word too to yourself friends and anyone who cares about their vote at all.
You can also drop off your completed envelope at the Board of Elections Office on Powel Rd until 5:00pm on election day of the Bushnell office until 7:00pm.
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:29 AM
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I will vote person, only reason being, over the years arthritis has settled in the joints of my fingers SO I can’t be sure my signature is the same as it was 13yrs ago.
To compare voting in primaries to general election is ludicrous. One would think only certain affiliates could vote. ALL registered voters go, not just party affiliates. I remember the first time I voted in Fl at Colony and the wait was hours and snaked inside the building. I was still working then so I didn’t have the luxury of going back and forth on different times. Now I do and if it’s too busy I’ll try another day.
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Old 09-17-2020, 09:43 AM
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We live in Marion County. Any idea where we can take our absentee ballots? I’m guessing Mulberyy Rec Center but just not sure.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:14 AM
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Mail in voting is an invitation to fraud.
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:26 AM
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Mail in voting is an invitation to fraud.

Exactly!
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Old 09-17-2020, 10:33 AM
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I personally handed a card to a carrier...to this day my daughter never received it. I’ll go and vote in person!
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Old 09-17-2020, 11:02 AM
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The employees at the mail stations are not postal employees. They are outside contracters
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