[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Big props to the FHP for determining that it wasn't a "medical issue" but just an idiot, reckless 81 y/o driver.

I wonder how many accidents in TV are initially told by the "driver of cause" that the accident was a "medical issue"? A thorough, complete investigation by LEO's will see right through that.

I am asking politely and respectfully that you pause before you use the word "elderly" especially in a scathing way.


You are "elderly" to our fine young grandchildren, but they would NEVER use the term because it isn't polite, or kind.


It is kind of like the word "pig". I have no use for unkindness when another word that is far more correct and less hurtful will do.

[manaboutown]

C'mon, GG, don't go all PC on us!

Frankly I find elderly descriptive, unobjectionable and neutral. I am now 74 years of age, ELDERLY, and proud of it. I am not in denial about being a senior citizen and am certainly not the man (nor the driver) I was at 35.

I also know a few folks whose lives have been destroyed by ELDERLY drivers!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I am asking politely and respectfully that you pause before you use the word "elderly" especially in a scathing way.


You are "elderly" to our fine young grandchildren, but they would NEVER use the term because it isn't polite, or kind.


It is kind of like the word "pig". I have no use for unkindness when another word that is far more correct and less hurtful will do.

Look at it this way, GG.
To many in TV, the word "elderly" has a special meaning. It is a term of affection, a term of respect (paraphrased from Tom Hagen, Godfather I)

The same cannot be said for "pig", unless we are talking bacon! (sorry VPL)

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by joldnol

Shame on you! I have always found your posts to be very intelligent but this is just pure BS. My wife has cerebral palsy and uses a walker because of 6 decades of joint wear and tear. When we first got married 32 years ago she was 100 % ambulatory. Her legs still work but she can no longer can walk any distance over a few hundred feet without being in considerable pain. Her driving skills are excellent and we travel TV with a WALKER strapped to the back of the cart. I guess you would prefer the handicapped to stay out of sight like in the "good old days".

I apologize for offending you and your wife. This wasn't directed at the handicapped that are physically able to safely operate vehicle and carts, it was about people that are UNFIT physically, and/or mentally to safely operate a vehicle, including golf carts, anymore.

I'm 62 and don't remember any "good old days" of keeping the handicapped out of sight.

[twoplanekid]

On my brother’s lamp post sign up the street, he has “The younger R……..” So on my sign, I have “The elder R…….”

[joldnol]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

I apologize for offending you and your wife. This wasn't directed at the handicapped that are physically able to safely operate vehicle and carts, it was about people that are UNFIT physically, and/or mentally to safely operate a vehicle, including golf carts, anymore.

I'm 62 and don't remember any "good old days" of keeping the handicapped out of sight.

Thank for the nice response. There was a time (pre 1980's) where a common recommendation to parents of a new born handicapped baby was to warehouse their child. Geraldo Rivera made his name by exposing a large hell hole institution in NY. Florida had a half dozen similar institutions until the 80's that were called Sunland. They not only housed the mentally handicapped but physically handicapped as well. In 1959 an Air Force doctor made that recommendation to my wife's parents. Fortunately they did not follow his advice.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by joldnol

Thank for the nice response. There was a time (pre 1980's) where a common recommendation to parents of a new born handicapped baby was to warehouse their child. Geraldo Rivera made his name by exposing a large hell hole institution in NY. Florida had a half dozen similar institutions until the 80's that were called Sunland. They not only housed the mentally handicapped but physically handicapped as well.

Again, my profound apologies. I do not remember that news from back then; I probably should have since I was in the early period of my career chasing the bad guys.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

C'mon, GG, don't go all PC on us!

Frankly I find elderly descriptive, unobjectionable and neutral. I am now 74 years of age, ELDERLY, and proud of it. I am not in denial about being a senior citizen and am certainly not the man (nor the driver) I was at 35.

I also know a few folks whose lives have been destroyed by ELDERLY drivers!

We have discussed this before on this forum. Who do you think are more dangerous drivers statistically? Over 80 or under 20?


I do not mind at all being elderly. These are the most fun filled years of my life with no deadlines and no burdens of worries about jobs or kids. I am married to my dream guy and enjoy sharing our home with our sweet daughter. I wish I could make this part of my life go on forever.


I don't think I am a fan of political correctness, but as my Aunt Jane would remind us, Don't be crude like oil. Be refined, like sugar. Not funny, just nostalgic and indicative of my Ohio upbringing. My father figure was a police officer and he was never anything but well spoken. Of course he was 6'4" which back in the forties and fifties was really tall. To me he was a giant. I expect a lot from the men in blue.

[Topspinmo]

If we take driving away for health reasons the streets will be baron. Anybody that has worked for living over 60 has health issues.

NO ONE KNOWS WHEN medical episode going to happen, if we did we would go for medical help.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

On my brother�s lamp post sign up the street, he has �The younger R��..� So on my sign, I have �The elder R��.�

I've noticed

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

If we take driving away for health reasons the streets will be baron. Anybody that has worked for living over 60 has health issues.



NO ONE KNOWS WHEN medical episode going to happen, if we did we would go for medical help.

Well & correctly stated. Thank you.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

We have discussed this before on this forum. Who do you think are more dangerous drivers statistically? Over 80 or under 20

Over 80 without a doubt as studies show time and again!

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by billethkid

OK my emotions got the better of me on this incident. However the subject and the reality lays dormant and is triggered when I see a golf cart accident. I would never expect to read in the paper or dot com or where ever, an admission of speeding. No different than on the roads.

Hower, that all being said. After 12 years of walking 2-3 miles evey morning and driving the cart paths most days of that 12 years there is absolutely no question (in my experience) that speeding on the cart paths is an issue.

And I do not expect anymore to be done about golf cart speeding than the excessive amount of auto/truck speeding that takes place on our roadways day in and day out.

Can you point to just one golf cart accident in TV that was determined to be caused by excessive golf cart speed? I know there are carts that exceed the speed limit, but I really don't think accident stats will show we have a speeding/safety problem with carts.

[outlaw]

I feel that driving should no longer be considered a privilege granted by big brother. Places other than large urban centers do not have sufficient and affordable public transportation to support a large driverless community. Today, driving is so essential to our lives, that it should be considered almost a basic right, imo. Seniors would be unfairly discriminated against, and many would be virtually imprisoned in their homes. Daily outings that most of us take for granted, such as grocery shopping, doctor visits, bank stops, general shopping, eating out, become major logistical issues when one isn't allowed to drive. Many elderly (that's right, I used the E word) do not have a partner, children or friends for a dependable transportation support system. It is easy to say others should not be allowed to drive. It's another thing to accept it when it's your time. I don't begrudge these elderly people holding onto their access to the world; they may present additional risk behind the wheel. But no more than those on their cell phone, or dialing a number while driving (which I see virtually everyday). Or the speeding golfer late for a tee time. Or the person pulling out of McDonalds with a hamburger in one hand and a drink in the other. There are many daily behaviors on the roads that pose an unnecessary risk to others. Don't single out elderly people who really have no choice regarding their failing health and diminishing function.

[Chatbrat]

People kinda forget, that after a medical episode such as a stroke, a medical doctor can send a recommendation to the DMV and a persons drivers license will be REVOKED,2 that point a person can not operate any motor vehicle, including a golf cart

Furthermore ;I see lots of people driving their carts with a two handed death grip on the steering wheel. If golf carts require 2 hands to safely control them,IMHO a person with diminished arm and hand strength can not safely control a golf cart.