[Villageswimmer]

Originally Posted by blueash

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of flatten the curve. While the basic model of flattening has as its goal lowering the peak and does not anticipate fewer final cases, models of social distancing accomplish two goals. The goals of social distancing are to both have fewer people ill at the same time AND have fewer people ultimately become infected. The simplest explanation is if you take a single individual. If she never comes into contact with an adequate exposure, she never gets sick. The way to have her not be exposed involves keeping her away from known and unknown spreaders.

Hand washing obviously reduces the total ill people. It is no different for catching Covid from what your hands touched or catching Salmonella from raw chicken. Hand washing results in decreased transfer of germs from hand to nose, eyes, and mouth.

Thanks for your clear explanation.

[Carlsondm]

We are only at the beginning of the curve. It will rise sharply soon as the virus colonies and deaths surge. The surge is what we hopefully are controlling. Right now the prediction is that we may return to normal life sometime in June, but only if we follow our plan together and don't allow the virus to take control again. With five nurses in the family, I am reminded frequently to stay home, avoid crowds, and just before the surge to wear gloves and a mask (@20-50%) when going out. We know little about the virus transmission at this point. It could be airborne at it's peak. Who wants to be a guinea pig.

[yankygrl]

Originally Posted by Carlsondm

We are only at the beginning of the curve. It will rise sharply soon as the virus colonies and deaths surge. The surge is what we hopefully are controlling. Right now the prediction is that we may return to normal life sometime in June, but only if we follow our plan together and don't allow the virus to take control again. With five nurses in the family, I am reminded frequently to stay home, avoid crowds, and just before the surge to wear gloves and a mask (@20-50%) when going out. We know little about the virus transmission at this point. It could be airborne at it's peak. Who wants to be a guinea pig.

We do know the method of transmission - it is droplet spread. How far those droplets go when you speak or cough is probably the most indeterminent part of it. We also know, for the most part, how long the virus "lives" on certain objects.

[Travelhunter]

Originally Posted by Carlsondm

We are only at the beginning of the curve. It will rise sharply soon as the virus colonies and deaths surge. The surge is what we hopefully are controlling. Right now the prediction is that we may return to normal life sometime in June, but only if we follow our plan together and don't allow the virus to take control again. With five nurses in the family, I am reminded frequently to stay home, avoid crowds, and just before the surge to wear gloves and a mask (@20-50%) when going out. We know little about the virus transmission at this point. It could be airborne at it's peak. Who wants to be a guinea pig.

The scary and frustrating part is we keep getting different direction
Don’t wear masks
Do wear masks

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Travelhunter

The scary and frustrating part is we keep getting different direction
Don’t wear masks
Do wear masks

I think that we are all, including the experts, are in uncharted waters here and they are learning new things all the time.

I recall hearing that the droplets were too large or heavy to remain in the air on their own. Now some are saying that might not be true.

I think that the experts are giving us the best information that they have available at the time.

No one ever said that you could wear a face mask if you wanted.

[striveforhealth]

The "Wuhan Virus"??

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The incubation period is quite long and 80% don't get very sick so it may be too early to tell.

I was just speaking with a friend who while visiting her grandchildren in WA over Thanksgiving last year became very ill and even lost her sense of taste and smell. Several of the children got pneumonia. She now believes they had the Wuhan virus. Many Chinese were visiting or living in the area and she believes it got there through some of them.

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by striveforhealth

The "Wuhan Virus"??

The first documentary movie on CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus - YouTube

[Kerry Azz]

Keep drinking the koolaid,

[Kerry Azz]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

The more the virus is overhyped, the more lives will be saved, the more the virus is ignored, the more deaths will happen.

Managing large diverse populations with information alone is very difficult.

There are videos from china of welding doors to apartments shut, which culture would you prefer? forcibly restrained or by individual choice?

sportsguy

Overhyped? Hopefully your a former coach, people that believe this isn’t serious are an extreme danger to our safety as well as to their own. Your door should be welded shut,

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by striveforhealth

The "Wuhan Virus"??

Yes: Wuhan virus, Chinese virus, China virus, ChiCom virus, COVID-19, different names, same virus. Call it what you like.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Kerry Azz

Overhyped? Hopefully your a former coach, people that believe this isn’t serious are an extreme danger to our safety as well as to their own. Your door should be welded shut,

The point is the non linear assymetrical effect of information presentation and information effects. . . ie, Heisenberg effect, meaning the more information presented, the more the outcome is changed. Your decoding of the word "overhyped" is not the same as my intention of concept. I did not intend for you to interpret that the current environment was overhyped, but I did intend for the interpretation to be on a relative basis versus ignoring the virus as the other extreme, not the more absolute judgemental interpretation which some may interpret.

Its tough to know which interpretation people will take, relative or absolute, which is a personality trait, from a post without knowing who will read and anyone can read. . .

sportsguy

[600th Photo Sq]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

The point is the non linear assymetrical effect of information presentation and information effects. . . ie, Heisenberg effect, meaning the more information presented, the more the outcome is changed. Your decoding of the word "overhyped" is not the same as my intention of concept. I did not intend for you to interpret that the current environment was overhyped, but I did intend for the interpretation to be on a relative basis versus ignoring the virus as the other extreme, not the more absolute judgemental interpretation which some may interpret.

Its tough to know which interpretation people will take, relative or absolute, which is a personality trait, from a post without knowing who will read and anyone can read. . .

sportsguy

After reading your post I decided to set my alarm clock for ( 5:30 pm ) that is my " Happy Hour " . And relax with the following.

Michelob Ultra, ( Ice Cold) , Popcorn, Peanuts, Pretzels.

Put my feet up and watch " Silence of the Lambs ", and " The Wild Bunch ".

Thanks for your post !

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by devorejh

We’re not overwhelmed with it because the whole thing has been overhyped. The models they used to predict the number of deaths were seriously flawed. In the end more people will die of the flu this year then will die of COVID-19. I’m not saying you shouldn’t take it serious but it’s not turning out to be what we were initially told. Everyone’s free to believe what they need to believe

Old argument that has been disproved for months but as you said, everyone's free to believe what they need to believe. COVID 19 is not the flu, so the comparison has no valididty. With COVID 19 you must have faith that your immune system is strong enough to fight it since that is the only treatment. There is no vaccine to help your immune system so roll the dice. Just please respect those that don't believe as you do and keep your distance.

[600th Photo Sq]

Originally Posted by 600th Photo Sq

After reading your post I decided to set my alarm clock for ( 5:30 pm ) that is my " Happy Hour " . And relax with the following.

Michelob Ultra, ( Ice Cold) , Popcorn, Peanuts, Pretzels.

Put my feet up and watch " Silence of the Lambs ", and " The Wild Bunch ".

Thanks for your post !

Well just a follow up :

Enjoyed my movies and snacks . I'm off to bed .

Looking forward to your next post ( hic up )