[KarenandJohn]

Kkimball, absolutely correct. I’m a cyclist and while driving on Buena Vista crossing 466A, told a cyclist who blew through a red light that he gives cyclists a bad name and should follow the rules of the road. He gave me the finger. That says volumns about him as a person and not cyclists in general.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Rodneysblue

I remember seeing this when I was researching riding in Florida. Florida Bicycle Laws, was posted in the Gainesville Cycling Club.

Roadway Position (see Section 316.2065, F.S.)

A bicyclist who is not traveling at the same speed of other traffic must ride in the lane marked
for bicycle use or, if no lane is marked for bicycle use, as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except in the following situations: when passing, making a left turn, to avoid road hazards, or when a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and a car to share safely.
A bicyclist operating on a one-way street with two or more traffic lanes may ride as close to the left-hand edge of the roadway as practicable.
Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast shall not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, and shall ride within a single lane.
This was copied from the Gainesville Cycleing Club’s website.

Originally Posted by Laker14

It doesn't say who gets to determine when it's safe or not.

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Florida does: Section 316.083

Where in those 10,000 words does it address when a lane is too narrow for both a car and a bike to pass safely?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by tsmall22204

You didn't answer any questions, you gave your opinion. Your opinion is wrong on several levels because you are biased. If you were being honest and not opinionated the answers would be quite different.

To whom are you responding?

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by tsmall22204

You didn't answer any questions, you gave your opinion. Your opinion is wrong on several levels because you are biased. If you were being honest and not opinionated the answers would be quite different.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

To whom are you responding?

It's a generic post. It applies to everyone. (except me).

[admiral72]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Where did you get that information? It is wrong (see below). What book or website or official is providing misinformation?


Florida law states:
- Depending on the width of the lane, bicyclists may have the right to the whole lane: 316.2065(5)(a)3. Most (all?) roads around the Villages are of "substandard" width.
- Cyclists may not ride *more* than two abreast: 316.2065(6)(a)

Sorry but it comes direct from the Florida statute. Here is the link or just google the citation.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine

There is a lot of misinformation out there but this is not. Here is what I put together:

I already gave you the rule pedestrians, walkers and runners are required to use sidewalks, if available.

I think I have a good understanding and wanted to confirm my review. Please let me know if anything I say is wrong.



Vehicle is a cart, car, motorcycle or moped.



Roadway is from yellow line to white line.



White line to curb is paved shoulder or berm.



There are no bike lanes where I live so I ride on paved berm or shoulder.



Vehicles must operate within roadways and not on the paved shoulder or berm. Pedestrians, walkers and runners are not allowed on the road or paved shoulder if sidewalk available.



Carts are prohibited from operating on sidewalks.



Bikes may operate on sidewalks, roadways or on paved shoulders unless required to only use a marked bike lane..

Please share the road and use common sense. Nothing in the law should be relied on when lives are at stake.

Avoid the risk of collision and, if you are not sure, assume there is a risk.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Laker14

Where in those 10,000 words does it address when a lane is too narrow for both a car and a bike to pass safely?

Vehicles are required to give a minimum space of three feet when passing a cyclist. A 6' wide car, a 3' wide cyclist, and a 3' space would mean a lane width of 12' at a bare minimum to be safe. The lanes on Morse appear to be 11'.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by admiral72

Sorry but it comes direct from the Florida statute. Here is the link or just google the citation.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine

There is a lot of misinformation out there but this is not. Here is what I put together:

I already gave you the rule pedestrians, walkers and runners are required to use sidewalks, if available.

I think I have a good understanding and wanted to confirm my review. Please let me know if anything I say is wrong.



Vehicle is a cart, car, motorcycle or moped.



Roadway is from yellow line to white line.



White line to curb is paved shoulder or berm.



There are no bike lanes where I live so I ride on paved berm or shoulder.



Vehicles must operate within roadways and not on the paved shoulder or berm. Pedestrians, walkers and runners are not allowed on the road or paved shoulder if sidewalk available.



Carts are prohibited from operating on sidewalks.



Bikes may operate on sidewalks, roadways or on paved shoulders unless required to only use a marked bike lane..

Please share the road and use common sense. Nothing in the law should be relied on when lives are at stake.

Avoid the risk of collision and, if you are not sure, assume there is a risk.

I don't see where in your links the issue of bicycles running abreast is addressed.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by admiral72

Sorry but it comes direct from the Florida statute. Here is the link or just google the citation.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine

There is a lot of misinformation out there but this is not. Here is what I put together:

I already gave you the rule pedestrians, walkers and runners are required to use sidewalks, if available.

I think I have a good understanding and wanted to confirm my review. Please let me know if anything I say is wrong.



Vehicle is a cart, car, motorcycle or moped.



Roadway is from yellow line to white line.



White line to curb is paved shoulder or berm.



There are no bike lanes where I live so I ride on paved berm or shoulder.



Vehicles must operate within roadways and not on the paved shoulder or berm. Pedestrians, walkers and runners are not allowed on the road or paved shoulder if sidewalk available.



Carts are prohibited from operating on sidewalks.



Bikes may operate on sidewalks, roadways or on paved shoulders unless required to only use a marked bike lane..

Please share the road and use common sense. Nothing in the law should be relied on when lives are at stake.

Avoid the risk of collision and, if you are not sure, assume there is a risk.

What point are you arguing? I made three points:

1. Bicycles can claim the entire lane - I provided the Statute that supports that
2. Bicycles can ride two abreast - I provided the Statute that supports that
3. Pedestrians may walk on the shoulder - I provided 316.130(4) which supports that

Pedestrians must use the sidewalk of one exists. If one does not exist then pedestrians must use the shoulder.

[Babubhat]

There is a clown who rides his bike on the sidewalk up and down pinellas. Gets annoyed by walkers.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Perhaps you should have read instead of counting.

Vehicles are required to give a minimum space of three feet when passing a cyclist. A 6' wide car, a 3' wide cyclist, and a 3' space would mean a lane width of 12' at a bare minimum to be safe. The lanes on Morse appear to be 11'.

Is that specified in the link you referred to? What paragraph, what letter sub-heading. I'm not saying it's not there, just that I can't find it in all that verbiage on other subjects.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Laker14

Is that specified in the link you referred to? What paragraph, what letter sub-heading. I'm not saying it's not there, just that I can't find it in all that verbiage on other subjects.

My apologies.

316.083 paragraphs (2) and (3):

(2) The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle or an electric bicycle occupying the same travel lane must pass the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle or electric bicycle at a safe distance of not less than 3 feet or, if such movement cannot be safely accomplished, must remain at a safe distance behind the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle or electric bicycle until the driver can safely pass at a distance of not less than 3 feet and must safely clear the overtaken bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle or electric bicycle.
(3) The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle, or an electric bicycle, occupying a bicycle lane must pass the bicycle, other nonmotorized vehicle, or electric bicycle at a safe distance of not less than 3 feet between the vehicle and the bicycle, other nonmotorized vehicle, or electric bicycle.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

My apologies.

316.083 paragraphs (2) and (3):

(2) The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle or an electric bicycle occupying the same travel lane must pass the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle or electric bicycle at a safe distance of not less than 3 feet or, if such movement cannot be safely accomplished, must remain at a safe distance behind the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle or electric bicycle until the driver can safely pass at a distance of not less than 3 feet and must safely clear the overtaken bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle or electric bicycle.
(3) The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle, or an electric bicycle, occupying a bicycle lane must pass the bicycle, other nonmotorized vehicle, or electric bicycle at a safe distance of not less than 3 feet between the vehicle and the bicycle, other nonmotorized vehicle, or electric bicycle.

No, MY apologies. I was looking at 316.0083 (missed that extra "0") which has nothing to do with overtaking bicycles.
BTW, you and I are on the same side in this argument. I just couldn't find your references because I was looking in the wrong place.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by kkimball

It's good to see the wide range of opinions and insight. As promised, here are my (still opinionated) answers to your questions:

Q: Why don't cyclists call out "on your left" when passing?
A: They should. It does startle some people. I think bells are better.

Q: Why won't the cyclist allow me to pass in the same lane?
A: Most likely, they don't feel safe allowing you to pass. You need to respect their decision just like you would for any other vehicle. Please don't yell or lay on your horn. That's not fun for anyone.

Q: Why should cyclists be allowed on the road if they don't pay fuel taxes?
A: Cyclists own cars and pay the same taxes as everyone else. If this is a genuine concern, electric car owners also need to get off the road.

Q: If cyclists want a better workout, why not get a heavy bike?
A: Heavy bikes are not as fun to ride.

Q: Why don't cyclists stop at stop signs?
A: They should, and the law requires it; however, many cyclists will roll through a stop sign when it's obvious the coast is clear because regaining momentum after a stop is not fun.

Q: Why do cyclists wear dorky outfits?
A: Every sport has its specialized gear. Some are dorkier than others. Road cycling clothing is comfortable, breathable, and aerodynamic. The bright, reflective colors make it easier to see cyclists, and the cycling industry loves to brand their gear. Yes, it's very dorky.

Q: Why do cyclists wear clicky shoes?
A: The clicky shoes clip into the pedals and allow power transfer throughout the pedal stroke. No one likes walking in them.

I'll keep an eye out for more questions in this thread. Please repost if I missed yours.

I'll just address your highlighted "answer" Why does the cyclist get to be the dictator of when it is safe to pass. Maybe I think it is safe. Maybe he should respect my decision.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'll just address your highlighted "answer" Why does the cyclist get to be the dictator of when it is safe to pass. Maybe I think it is safe. Maybe he should respect my decision.

Because you aren't the one who is going to get injured if you are wrong.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Laker14

Because you aren't the one who is going to get injured if you are wrong.

Don't know that. If I'm wrong I may run head-on into a tree while the cyclist is unscathed.