[JerryP]

Originally Posted by Maybelle

What are you quoting?

Sorry I should have included in Post #12

Florida statute. Chapter 316 section 6 (b)

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[srswans]

Originally Posted by Davonu

On a MMP, you can avoid being “in the way” with just a few simple courtesies, especially if you ride a hybrid bike that is perfectly safe pulling off into the grass.

Yeah, I see your point but golf cart tires are designed for grass, more so than road bikes, so the drivers should do pass in the grass thing.

Besides, there is no priority system on the MMP so, as a solo rider, I feel no obligation to pull-off for a cart.

I have left the MMP for the street before to get away from aggressive cart drivers.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by JerryP

Yes

b) When stopping at a stop sign, persons riding bicycles in groups, after coming to a full stop and obeying all traffic laws, may proceed through the stop sign in a group of 10 or fewer at a time. Motor vehicle operators must allow one such group to travel through the intersection before moving forward.

The statute clearly states "stop" sign. Roundabouts have "yield" signs.

Second if a cyclist is on a secondary road with a stop sign and crossing a primary road without a stop sign do you believe the primary traffic is to stop for a line of ten ? Without the obvious that we all have a responsibility to avoid an accident at all cost. In essence that is what you are asking the traffic in the roundabout (the primary road) when ganging ten through a yield sign.

[edtherock]

As a life long cyclist. (15,000 miles per year) ...... cyclists should follow all the same laws as a car when riding on a road. That should be the mentality of any bicycle rider. If a cyclists is hit by a car, you know who is going to win that game physically, so a cyclist certainly does not want to get hit. (I actually ride on an app called Zwift inside the house on a smart trainer now 90% of the time) because I am quite afraid of the cars around here and the peoples decision making at older ages... When driving in my car, I see people making very wrong decisions in their cars all the time. Cars vs cars.. So imagine Cars vs cyclists... Two weeks ago a person was driving on the WRONG side of Parr drive by the new Sprouts coming straight at me right at Buena Vista!!!... WRONG side of the ROAD!! Imagine that.. Head on car collision-- almost!!... so lets go back to cyclists.. We are human and we all will make mistakes. Maybe it is time instead of trying to get to the letter of law, that we all take a deep breath... Try to be nice to each other.. Have some compassion for each other.. The people riding bikes are trying to enjoy the great outdoors and I suspect most of us here are trying to do, walking, golf cart riding, running etc..... Is an extra 15 second delay really going to hurt somebody either way? If it is, I suggest you are living in the wrong place! Be considerate to cyclists, to cars, to golf carts and try to enjoy life... Nobody is going to win this game of car vs cyclists!! One last thing: almost every one of us dedicated cyclists, have cameras on the front and back of our bikes recording what happens.. So if an accident does happen, there will be live video.. consider that.. Right or wrong thats what the world has come to. I can tell you from real world life, I have 4 friends that have been hit by cars, and in every case, it was the cars fault- clearly... Not to say Cyclists dont cause issues, because we also get impatient...... But we all get impatient in our cars too... As I said nobody is going to win this game.. Lets try to be considerate to all! Enjoy life.. Dont stress!!!

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by edtherock

As a life long cyclist. (15,000 miles per year) ...... cyclists should follow all the same laws as a car when riding on a road. That should be the mentality of any bicycle rider. If a cyclists is hit by a car, you know who is going to win that game physically, so a cyclist certainly does not want to get hit. (I actually ride on an app called Zwift inside the house on a smart trainer now 90% of the time) because I am quite afraid of the cars around here and the peoples decision making at older ages... When driving in my car, I see people making very wrong decisions in their cars all the time. Cars vs cars.. So imagine Cars vs cyclists... Two weeks ago a person was driving on the WRONG side of Parr drive by the new Sprouts coming straight at me right at Buena Vista!!!... WRONG side of the ROAD!! Imagine that.. Head on car collision-- almost!!... so lets go back to cyclists.. We are human and we all will make mistakes. Maybe it is time instead of trying to get to the letter of law, that we all take a deep breath... Try to be nice to each other.. Have some compassion for each other.. The people riding bikes are trying to enjoy the great outdoors and I suspect most of us here are trying to do, walking, golf cart riding, running etc..... Is an extra 15 second delay really going to hurt somebody either way? If it is, I suggest you are living in the wrong place! Be considerate to cyclists, to cars, to golf carts and try to enjoy life... Nobody is going to win this game of car vs cyclists!! One last thing: almost every one of us dedicated cyclists, have cameras on the front and back of our bikes recording what happens.. So if an accident does happen, there will be live video.. consider that.. Right or wrong thats what the world has come to. I can tell you from real world life, I have 4 friends that have been hit by cars, and in every case, it was the cars fault- clearly... Not to say Cyclists dont cause issues, because we also get impatient...... But we all get impatient in our cars too... As I said nobody is going to win this game.. Lets try to be considerate to all! Enjoy life.. Dont stress!!!

I agree, especially about people making poor decisions. We had a neighbor who had eye surgery and was told not to drive for a week - he couldn't see out of one eye, of course he drives and ignores the doctor's advice. My car was hit by a golf cart driver who had lost his driver's license due to poor vision, but still drove a golf cart, and he totally couldn't see my car due to his faulty vision. I see these golf carts racing around at 25 mph, and walkers and cyclists have to scramble to get out of the way.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by mickey100

I see these golf carts racing around at 25 mph, and walkers and cyclists have to scramble to get out of the way.

Yeah, I believe you!

That is why smart people like us only take walks and bike rides where golf carts are forbidden.

[photo1902]

"racing around at 25 mph". Now that's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by photo1902

"racing around at 25 mph". Now that's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

Makes perfect sense to me after witnessing what appeared to be a race or chase or rally through the parking lot at SeaBreeze a while back. Six or seven (possibly more) zigging and zagging through the lot, cutting in front and behind cars and carts trying to park or leave. God only knows the reason for the potentially deadly insanity that seemed to infect that group, but I'm guessing drugs, alcohol or both were involved.