[ureout]

a bicyclist was hit about 7:30 this morning on Buena Vista near the Bel-Aire entrance gate.. they were being attended to by passers by when I went by on the golf cart path.. just wondering if anyone had heard anything?? Sheriffs were still on the scene when I returned about 9:45

[Topspinmo]

That’s very dangerous intersection for vehicles too pull in and out due to B/V traffic.

[jimbomaybe]

I hope the the person wasn't badly injured, I always try to give the bikers as much room as I can. Riding on the street has always makes me nervous, can these large groups use the multi modal paths?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

I hope the the person wasn't badly injured, I always try to give the bikers as much room as I can. Riding on the street has always makes me nervous, can these large groups use the multi modal paths?

I ask myself the same question. I often walk the stretch of path from Botello Avenue to Buenos Aires--paved the entire way, with fresh median lines--and will see packs of bicyclists tooling along, taking up a lane of traffic, when they could just as easily take the MMP. I know they have the right. But having the right to do something doesn't always make it the smart thing to do. In car vs. bicycle, bicycle loses every time.

[PugMom]

oh no, not again. be safe out there, you guys

[Number 10 GI]

With all the impaired driving ability drivers on the streets in this area, riding a bicycle is the absolutely last activity I would consider doing. I used to own a motorcycle until I had an accident caused by inattentive driver. Luckily all I suffered is a broken collarbone and a bunch or bruises. As much as I would like to ride one again, a motorcycle and bicycle rider in this area is a body parts doner.

[dnobles]

Hope the rider is okay

[MrFlorida]

I gave up my motorcycle when I moved here.... I only ride by bike on off road trails, street riding is becoming very hazardous.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

With all the impaired driving ability drivers on the streets in this area, riding a bicycle is the absolutely last activity I would consider doing. I used to own a motorcycle until I had an accident caused by inattentive driver. Luckily all I suffered is a broken collarbone and a bunch or bruises. As much as I would like to ride one again, a motorcycle and bicycle rider in this area is a body parts doner.

Hmm, so why are their people driving with driving impairments? I would very much like to see anyone over 70 have to be rectified every year. But, that is just me - I am 72.

And as a previous motorcycle rider, I agree, that is dangerous. It is paramount for them to assume the cars can't/don't see them. As for the bike riders, I also rode many centuries, and the safest place for a bike rider in on the road going the same direction as the cars.

[Toymeister]

Here we go, again.

The cyclist, who has ever right to be on the road, is again blamed. Who made the mistake? The motorist, who was not paying attention, the motorist, who will be held criminally and civilly liable, the motorist.

Yet the cyclistpays the price


Why can't a single cyclist or group of them use the MMP someone asked? They can if they wish but some do not because of rude cart drivers, among a myriad of other reasons.


Why do cyclists ride in groups on the road, taking an entire lane? Because it is safer, you see them and cannot share a lane with them.

What can cyclists do to minimize accidents?

1.Take the lane to be seen
2. Wear bright colors, yes even Lycra
3. Use extremely bright flashing lights. I recommend cygolite for the visablity of a thousand suns
4. Install an automotive horn for bikes. I recommend loudbicycle.com
5. Install rear facing radar to warn you of auto traffic approaching

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

Here we go, again.

The cyclist, who has ever right to be on the road, is again blamed. Who made the mistake? The motorist, who was not paying attention, the motorist, who will be held criminally and civilly liable, the motorist.

Yet the cyclistpays the price

…

Where did you find the report that detailed the cause of the accident? Or are you doing exactly what you are accusing others of and making assumptions?

Like it or not, it *is* safer on the trails. And yes, works the other way too; like it or not it *is* legal for bicycles to be on the road.

I’ve seen bad behavior from both cars and bicycles.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

Here we go, again.

The cyclist, who has ever right to be on the road, is again blamed. Who made the mistake? The motorist, who was not paying attention, the motorist, who will be held criminally and civilly liable, the motorist.

Yet the cyclistpays the price


Why can't a single cyclist or group of them use the MMP someone asked? They can if they wish but some do not because of rude cart drivers, among a myriad of other reasons.


Why do cyclists ride in groups on the road, taking an entire lane? Because it is safer, you see them and cannot share a lane with them.

What can cyclists do to minimize accidents?

1.Take the lane to be seen
2. Wear bright colors, yes even Lycra
3. Use extremely bright flashing lights. I recommend cygolite for the visablity of a thousand suns
4. Install an automotive horn for bikes. I recommend loudbicycle.com
5. Install rear facing radar to warn you of auto traffic approaching

I don't think anyone denied a cyclists right to be on the road just that it puts them a great risk in the event of an accident whoever is at fault, an inconsiderate golf cart driver could be a better choice than an inattentive driver in an SUV. Yes its a matter of degree, one docent get a choice who will run into you, but if I could choose to T boned/ rear ended by a Prius or a loaded cement truck I'd pick the Prius

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Toymeister

Here we go, again.

The cyclist, who has ever right to be on the road, is again blamed. Who made the mistake? The motorist, who was not paying attention, the motorist, who will be held criminally and civilly liable, the motorist.

Yet the cyclistpays the price


Why can't a single cyclist or group of them use the MMP someone asked? They can if they wish but some do not because of rude cart drivers, among a myriad of other reasons.


Why do cyclists ride in groups on the road, taking an entire lane? Because it is safer, you see them and cannot share a lane with them.

What can cyclists do to minimize accidents?

1.Take the lane to be seen
2. Wear bright colors, yes even Lycra
3. Use extremely bright flashing lights. I recommend cygolite for the visablity of a thousand suns
4. Install an automotive horn for bikes. I recommend loudbicycle.com
5. Install rear facing radar to warn you of auto traffic approaching

Here we go again. I think the OP stated that they had every right to be there. Just because they have the right, it doesn’t make it smart. I have every right to stand around in the projects waving a fistful of money in the air. Is it smart?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Hmm, so why are their people driving with driving impairments? I would very much like to see anyone over 70 have to be rectified every year. But, that is just me - I am 72.

And as a previous motorcycle rider, I agree, that is dangerous. It is paramount for them to assume the cars can't/don't see them. As for the bike riders, I also rode many centuries, and the safest place for a bike rider in on the road going the same direction as the cars.

The reason why some people still drive car or cart when they shouldn’t is because there is no public transportation like in other crowded places like municipalities, and few sidewalks - even if they could walk to get groceries or go to doctor’s appointments.

[Madelaine Amee]

I can comment on IMPAIRED DRIVERS. I chose to give up my license due to Macular. I had lost vision in the center of one eye and was 70/20. When I went to give up my license I was told "Oh you can get a license in Florida at 70/20", I told her "Believe me, you do not want me on the road", but legally I could be out there driving. I no longer drive a car or a golf cart, if I had an accident Dan Newlin could get everything I own.

THE STATE OF FLORIDA DOES NOT WANT TO UPSET ITS ELDERLY POPULATION.

One of my neighbors lost sight in one eye and was driving from PA every year with just one eye!, and that too is legal in Florida. To take it even further, what about all the early dementia patients here!