[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Isn't Easter about a "resurrection"? .......Actually, I could use a resurrection, back to my young and wonderful days when I was age 25 and was super-smart, gifted, and knew everything about everything!..... those were the days my friend ....we'd fight and NEVER lose!

So when did that change to where you are now????

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But this one is getting boring

Hopefully a new thread to spar over will come up

It's round 5 ladies and gentlemen - and the boxers return to their corners!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

So, you are okay with a teacher being sued by a parent for mentioning she was going bowling with her HUSBAND after class? Because that is exactly what people are afraid of if the same teacher said she was going bowling with HER WIFE.

People are afraid of The Boogey Man. Doesn't mean he exists...

Just like those lawsuits that will never happen...

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

Where do you get the idea Disney does not pay taxes? If you are going to enter into this debate at least get your facts straight. This is what they paid in 2015, I imagine it is much higher now:

Disney is the largest taxpayer in Central Florida, paying approximately $566 million in state and local taxes each year and because they straddle the line in two different Florida counties (Orange and Osceola), both counties benefit from this money generating giant.

Walt Disney World Resort pays approximately $105 million annually in ad valorem taxes; an estimated $92.7 million is paid to Orange County and more than $10.9 million to Osceola County.

In Orange County, Disney pays more in taxes than the next 10 highest county taxpayers combined. Approximately $46 million of those funds go directly to education.

Disney generated approximately 33 percent of the Tourist Development Taxes collected in Orange County and approximately 24 percent of these taxes in Osceola County in 2013.

Disney paid or collected more than $495 million in state sales, use and communications taxes and local resort taxes for the surrounding communities in 2013.

In addition to the county taxes, Walt Disney World Resort paid more than $77.8 million in taxes to the Reedy Creek Improvement District in 2013. These tax dollars go toward building hundreds of millions of dollars worth of public infrastructure at no cost to taxpayers.

It might be interesting to know how much tax The Villages pays.

You failed to mention all of the other taxes that Disney creates, but does not create directly. For example all of the taxes generated from all of the local hotels, restaurants, souvenier shops, etc.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

People are afraid of The Boogey Man. Doesn't mean he exists...

Just like those lawsuits that will never happen...

You left off the rest of my post using an example of the laws (like this one) from Taxes where the woman ended up in jail because the local police didn't understand the law.

Crazy vaguely worded laws are a serious cause for concern since it is so easy to m isunderstand their innocent intent.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Has your 5 year old grandchild experienced that kind of teaching? Are there any examples of it happening? I have not read of any during the discussions of this law. Then the law was needed not to stop an actual practice but because of the concern/fear that it could happen. But if someone points out that the law allows a bad practice to occur the response is "get over it, a lot of things in this world are frightening."

The parents' "fear" of something being taught in school has been determined to have more value than others' "fear" of being targeted and discriminated against. Having no dog in the fight, I see this as just a bit hypocritical.

If the law prohibited the explanation of the mechanics of sexual practices I would be right there with you. But it doesn't do that, it prohibits the discussion of sexual orientation. Further, it empowers the parents to sue the teacher if the parents feel the discussion violated the new law. I still contend that this would allow a gay parent to sue over reading Bambi in school since the book mentions mother and father and therefore is obviously a discussion that includes sexual orientation. I think that's foolish and I doubt that was the intent of those who wrote the law, but that is one way the law could be interpreted.

You are free to "contend" that, but the law does not "state" that...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Those parents are bigots.

Brilliant logic...

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

You failed to mention all of the other taxes that Disney creates, but does not create directly. For example all of the taxes generated from all of the local hotels, restaurants, souvenier shops, etc.

That was mentioned earlier in the thread, but the other side chose to ignore them: Here is a summary:

"But the sheer number of jobs, and tax revenue connected to Disney World, casts a long shadow in the halls of state government. A 2019 study found Disney dominates the Central Florida tourism industry, according to Oxford Economics, and produced:

$75.2 billion annual economic impacts for Central Florida.
463,000 jobs.
$5.8 billion in additional state tax revenue. "

For the past two years, that has dropped significantly, can't imagine why. But, it is pretty well accepted that the drop is temporary.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Lol.....alittle homophobic????

Can't debate? Sling mud...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

You really cannot possibly think a kindergarten child is in the least bit interested in sexual orientation. They are more interested in playing and seeing what the kid next door has in their lunch box.

I can tell you that at that age my children had no idea what the word SEX meant.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Play your golf and enjoy your old age, life will go on one way or the other whether you like it or not. All the laws in the land will make no difference.

So, if none of this ever happens in Pre-K-3, why is everyone so angry about the new law?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You are free to "contend" that, but the law does not "state" that...

So, regardless of the "intent" and the "likely outcome" what is important to you is the actual wording? If that is the case, you won't have a problem with people suing the Schools for teaching heterosexual relationships, you know books showing two males are banned, so banning books showing a man and woman is okay? The law is vague about what is banned.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Disney is and has been for a long time what is called a Socially Responsible Corporation.

Slave labor in China, that makes the stuff they sell at the park are waiting to speak to you... Line #2...

The Uyghurs, locked up in internment camps in China, that were seen in "Mulan", are on Line #3...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A law "to prohibit" something that only exists as a conspiracy theory in the minds of culture warriors is a law about a problem that does NOT exist. A law that is a solution to a "make-believe:" problem is a law ginned up to create culture-war controversy and make an impression and get US-wide publicity (under the theory that even BAD publicity is good publicity. V. Putin stated that truth is non-existent and possibilities are endless! maybe this is a case of endless possibilities in Florida.
........Disney simply said that this situation is bizzaro and simply wrongheaded. I come down on Disney's side on this important controversy and I imagine so do most right-thinking Americans.

Said the guy who constantly comes up with "make believe" scenarios...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If only the church would stay separate from the state.

You really don't know what that means, do you?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Exactly. They invested huge amounts of money into land that was basically swamp and pasture and became the biggest employer in Florida. It was a prime example of public/private partnership. It would certainly give pause to other corporations thinking of coming to the state. Not to mention the tax consequences of this. Disney can hand off all the costs of road maintenance, waste disposal, fire protection, policing, etc. possibly repayment on bonds. And who would be paying those costs? Taxpayers of course. Another dumb move, right up there with banning 40% of math textbooks.

Then, they should lose their tax exemptions, right?

I find it ponderous that there are those defending Disney for continuing to avoid "paying their fair share" of taxes!