[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by rockaway

So let me get this straight. You admit to breaking driving laws since 2001.
You won't make a right turn from the left lane which is correct if you go
3/4 around but you will make a left turn from the right lane which is
illegal on any type of road, roundabout or straight.

By the way the "Newbies" did not change anything. Just pick up the
pamphlet at TV office that the police have put out you may learn something.

You say you stay in the right lane and keep an eye on the left lane so
you will not be cut off. So I guess in your mind it's ok for you to cut
everyone else off.

Hi rockaway...

This is how I see it... When a driver enters a roundabout, why should it matter how far the driver travels in that right lane to make an exit? Is it any less safe to remain in the right lane and leave the roundabout at the third exit? How about leaving the roundabout at the 2nd exit or the 1st exit and all from the right lane.What does it matter where the driver entered???

Basically, this way to navigate the roundabouts is like having a single lane roundabout. The inside lane is what makes these roundabouts dangerous and unsafe. As a driver is exiting the roundabout from the inside lane, a driver proceeding around the roundabout in the right lane could easily be hit by the driver exiting from the inside lane. Rules of the road state that the driver on the right has the right of way. That would make the driver exiting from the inside lane guilty of causing an accident.

[rockaway]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

First of all there where no "rules" in 2001. Everyone stayed in the right lane and exited from the right lane.

At what point did I say I would make a left turn from the right lane? That would be insane.

You said "Therefore, I will stay in the right lane and go through 3
exits to get out of the exit.

When you go to the third exit in a roundabout in the right lane you have
made a left turn from the right lane.

You are lucky you have gotten away with that all this time without
being T boned by someone in the left lane legally trying to continue
straight.

The rules are really simple it amazes me that so many people have
trouble grasping the concept.

1) When entering the roundabout in the right lane you can do 2 things
A) Exit a the first right exit
B Continue straight

2) When entering the roundabout in the left lane you can do 3 things
A) Continue straight
B) Exit at the third exit point
C) Continue around completly

[downeaster]

There are rules of the road. Included in those rules are rules for negotiating roundabouts. Those rules are available in the form of a brochure and are clearly explained. It is up to us to know these rules.

It makes no difference what we feel the rules should be. It is what the rules are that count. By applying our own rules we endanger the lives of our fellow drivers and passengers. We also run the risk of being cited for a moving violation, points, and an unpleasant increase in our insurance premium.

There is one unwritten rule that has no adverse effect on others and that is to "stagger". If I am in the inside lane with the intent of exiting in that lane, and there is a vehicle on my immediate right, I slow enough so if he intends to improperly proceed around to the next exit, I can let him safely pass in front of me.

BTW, there was a deputy parked inside a roundabout today. They may be paying more attention to the potential problems in roundabouts.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by herbaru

So who yields to who when the right lane is continuing on to go straight through and the left lane makes a right turn?

The driver on the right has the right of way on all roadways. That's easy then...the driver in the right lane has the right of way and the driver in the inside (left) lane has to yield. BTW, I was taught never to make a right turn from the left lane. That is dangerous.

[rockaway]

Originally Posted by downeaster

There are rules of the road. Included in those rules are rules for negotiating roundabouts. Those rules are available in the form of a brochure and are clearly explained. It is up to us to know these rules.

It makes no difference what we feel the rules should be. It is what the rules are that count. By applying our own rules we endanger the lives of our fellow drivers and passengers. We also run the risk of being cited for a moving violation, points, and an unpleasant increase in our insurance premium.

There is one unwritten rule that has no adverse effect on others and that is to "stagger". If I am in the inside lane with the intent of exiting in that lane, and there is a vehicle on my immediate right, I slow enough so if he intends to improperly proceed around to the next exit, I can let him safely pass in front of me.

BTW, there was a deputy parked inside a roundabout today. They may be paying more attention to the potential problems in roundabouts.

Downeaster
You are a breath of fresh air in this maddening thread.
At least some of us get it.

I'm am sorry to say that I don't think that Coffeebean will ever
get it. I really hope that she does not get injured or injure
someone else in her travels in TV.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by rockaway

You said "Therefore, I will stay in the right lane and go through 3
exits to get out of the exit.

When you go to the third exit in a roundabout in the right lane you have
made a left turn from the right lane.

You are lucky you have gotten away with that all this time without
being T boned by someone in the left lane legally trying to continue
straight.

The rules are really simple it amazes me that so many people have
trouble grasping the concept.

1) When entering the roundabout in the right lane you can do 2 things
A) Exit a the first right exit
B Continue straight

2) When entering the roundabout in the left lane you can do 3 things
A) Continue straight
B) Exit at the third exit point
C) Continue around completly

I grasp the concept very well and understand EXACTLY what is expected of a driver in a roundabout. I DO NOT AGREE with the legal way to navigate these roundabouts. It is asking for trouble to be in the left (inside) lane and exiting any where in that roundabout. Doesn't matter if it's the 1st, 2nd or 3rd exit...it is still extremely dangerous to exit from the left lane, even when remaining in the left lane to exit. There are drivers in the right lane continuing along the roundabout and the driver in the left lane will cause a collision when they wind up driving right in front of a car in the right lane. That is why I drive strictly in the right lane. I can easily see a car in the left lane making an exit, therefore, I can slow down and allow that driver to exit the roundabout. I always yield to drivers in the left lane as they exit the roundabout. At least, I can see them and not be hindered by a driver's blind spot.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by rockaway

Downeaster
You are a breath of fresh air in this maddening thread.
At least some of us get it.

I'm am sorry to say that I don't think that Coffeebean will ever
get it. I really hope that she does not get injured or injure
someone else in her travels in TV.

[coffeebean]

I just realized...this discussion is going on in two different threads...this one and the thread titled, "Golf Cart & Auto Drivers". Hmmm. Had me a bit confused for a minute.

[rockaway]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I grasp the concept very well and understand EXACTLY what is expected of a driver in a roundabout. I DO NOT AGREE with the legal way to navigate these roundabouts. It is asking for trouble to be in the left (inside) lane and exiting any where in that roundabout. Doesn't matter if it's the 1st, 2nd or 3rd exit...it is still extremely dangerous to exit from the left lane, even when remaining in the left lane to exit. There are drivers in the right lane continuing along the roundabout and the driver in the left lane will cause a collision when they wind up driving right in front of a car in the right lane. That is why I drive strictly in the right lane. I can easily see a car in the left lane making an exit, therefore, I can slow down and allow that driver to exit the roundabout. I always yield to drivers in the left lane as they exit the roundabout. At least, I can see them and not be hindered by a driver's blind spot.

Coffeebean Are you just trying to be contrary or is it that you really
cannot grasp the concept.

I would like to no what other traffic laws you my choose
to disobey because you don't agree with them
Stop signs, traffic lights speed limits?

[herbaru]

There is one unwritten rule that has no adverse effect on others and that is to "stagger". If I am in the inside lane with the intent of exiting in that lane, and there is a vehicle on my immediate right, I slow enough so if he intends to improperly proceed around to the next exit, I can let him safely pass in front of me.

This is part of what I do not understand...
How is it improper for the guy in the right lane to proceed if he just entered the roundabout and wants to go straight and I entered the roundabout one entrance before for him into the left lane and now I want to exit to go straight. To me it seems that the right lane should be for right turns only.

I like the stagger idea, but as you say it is an unwritten rule.

[golf2140]

Same story every year. Traffic complaints, this last until April / May then the problem goes away

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I just realized...this discussion is going on in two different threads...this one and the thread titled, "Golf Cart & Auto Drivers". Hmmm. Had me a bit confused for a minute.

Thats not all that has some people comfused.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by downeaster

There are rules of the road. Included in those rules are rules for negotiating roundabouts. Those rules are available in the form of a brochure and are clearly explained. It is up to us to know these rules.

It makes no difference what we feel the rules should be. It is what the rules are that count. By applying our own rules we endanger the lives of our fellow drivers and passengers. We also run the risk of being cited for a moving violation, points, and an unpleasant increase in our insurance premium.

There is one unwritten rule that has no adverse effect on others and that is to "stagger". If I am in the inside lane with the intent of exiting in that lane, and there is a vehicle on my immediate right, I slow enough so if he intends to improperly proceed around to the next exit, I can let him safely pass in front of me.

BTW, there was a deputy parked inside a roundabout today. They may be paying more attention to the potential problems in roundabouts.

Even the "unwritten rule" is written, though not as well as you wrote it, Downeaster.

The brochure states, "Do not overtake other vehicles or bicyclists within the roundabout." In other words, stagger.

[rshoffer]

Originally Posted by golf2140

Same story every year. Traffic complaints, this last until April / May then the problem goes away

This past Fri I stopped 2 confused people on their cart as they were about to exit Canal St onto 466A with their cart.

[downeaster]

Originally Posted by herbaru

This is part of what I do not understand...
How is it improper for the guy in the right lane to proceed if he just entered the roundabout and wants to go straight and I entered the roundabout one entrance before for him into the left lane and now I want to exit to go straight. To me it seems that the right lane should be for right turns only.

herbaru,

Your question can be answered here http://www.districtgov.org/PdfView/P...9;&ql=standard