[JeffAVEWS]

This is not a done deal. Just because RMS owns the property today does not mean that they won't sell it tomorrow. There are no proviso's in the Vacate document that prevents this. Lady Lake needs to take action to make an easement there.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by friartax

I read that as saying that the Leesburg RMC owned the property and vacated it to the Town for use as a golf cart path. The Developer, therefore, was trespassing and incurs all costs!

The document was confusing to me. Typical lawyer stuff. Either way it does not belong to the developer. My best guess is it will remain a Cart Path and there will be no gate. But what do I know I've been wrong once before in my life.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by JeffAVEWS

This is not a done deal. Just because RMS owns the property today does not mean that they won't sell it tomorrow. There are no proviso's in the Vacate document that prevents this. Lady Lake needs to take action to make an easement there.

I doubt that they would sell to someone who is trying to close it down.

[GatorFan]

John Wise works for Gary Morse and his wife is Connie Duff Wise who owns State Farm

[EdV]

The resolution to vacate was simply a process by which the town examined the proposed plan to convert the land into a golf cart thoroughfare and to establish the fact that the town had no intended use for that lot for supporting town utilities or other such usage.

Ownership of the lot did not change hands as a result of the approval of the resolution back in 1998. As of this writing it is still owned by Gary Morse’s company. And if the VHA’s proposal is accepted by Morse, ownership will passed over to the VCCDD which is totally controlled by guess who, why mister Gary Morse. But at that point, any liability issues would be the responsibility of the VCCDD which is funded by amenity revenue.

And as for the permit requested by Murray Construction, my guess is that they were the company that was assigned by Morse to take down the wall and they attempted to file for the permit as a formality in the process.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by EdV

The resolution to vacate was simply a process by which the town examined the proposed plan to convert the land into a golf cart thoroughfare and to establish the fact that the town had no intended use for that lot for supporting town utilities or other such usage.

Ownership of the lot did not change hands as a result of the approval of the resolution back in 1998. As of this writing it is still owned by Gary Morse’s company. And if the VHA’s proposal is accepted by Morse, ownership will passed over to the VCCDD which is totally controlled by guess who, why mister Gary Morse. But at that point, any liability issues would be the responsibility of the VCCDD which is funded by amenity revenue.

Thanks for the info. Seems like you always have the correct insight.

[rubicon]

I want to thank those Berlin Wall protesters for getting out there and bringing unwanted attention to those outside The Villages that will use any and I mean, the most minuscule tidbit to mock The Villages. You managed all by yourself to make a laughing stock out of The Villages.

Perhaps if you thought with your brains rather than emotions you could have quietly gone bout working through proper channels to get this issue resolved.

[blueash]

If a gate goes up, I predict it will be one with a high frequency of accidental trauma. Get those gate cameras ready. And who will be paying to repair and replace those gates, we know the answer. I don't understand what Mr Morse's objection, if it is the reason, to having residents of F. Park come and shop at Colony via golf cart may be. The additional wear and tear of a few thousand extra people on the paths is minimal. There is no liability from reasonable use and the risk of liability from poor design or maintenance would apply for villagers not just visitors.

[JeffAVEWS]

Thanks Ed, in my case I'm learning a little information is a dangerous thing.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I want to thank those Berlin Wall protesters for getting out there and bringing unwanted attention to those outside The Villages that will use any and I mean, the most minuscule tidbit to mock The Villages. You managed all by yourself to make a laughing stock out of The Villages.

Perhaps if you thought with your brains rather than emotions you could have quietly gone bout working through proper channels to get this issue resolved.

and perhaps not, rubicon.

i learned long ago not to judge people or their actions - for they all have a reason important to them for what they do and think. mine is not to reason why - but to try to understand if i choose to and simply insure that i am not injured by their actions/thoughts.

declaring that people did not think with their brains is a most demeaning statement in my book of judgements. i am sorry to see you post such a statement.

i do believe that the actions of villagers and non-villagers was sufficient, for all who watched and listened, to let them know that we are not a group who will lie back and take it and wait for something to happen - but that villagers can be motivated when they deem it necessary to take action.

and, to me, that attitude is not one that makes them a laughng stock..nor is it an attitude by which we should be embarrassed.

[Halibut]

I wonder if the cart path from Tarrson to the post office and Circle K will now be closed for security reasons.

The Medical Gate is also accessible by anyone in a cart, correct?

Since Janet Tutt insists this was completely a "security" issue, I think it's fair to ask why there's such a safety risk at the Paradise Gate and nowhere else?

I completely understand that Ms. Tutt would like to keep her job, but I'm disappointed in her stonewalling (!) response to this.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

My guess is you are pretty close. I've lived in Stonecrest for eight years and I still have enough fingers and toes left to count on that I've gone through that path. I don't like the bridge I believe its an accident waiting to happen.

I personally would rather drive it.

Thanks Steve and I would guess you are a pretty "typical" Stoncrest resident. We actually looked at Stonecrest as an option a few years ago. It is a very nice community. I was thinking then as I do now---if I lived in Stonecrest and came over to TV----I would probably drive my car. If Spruce Creek folks are added -----again, I don't see many traveling by golf cart to TV either. I agree with you---the bridge over 441 is something you want to drive very carefully and so is the bridge over Lake Sumter. Thanks again for your input.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by justjim

Thanks Steve and I would guess you are a pretty "typical" Stoncrest resident. We actually looked at Stonecrest as an option a few years ago. It is a very nice community. I was thinking then as I do now---if I lived in Stonecrest and came over to TV----I would probably drive my car. If Spruce Creek folks are added -----again, I don't see many traveling by golf cart to TV either. I agree with you---the bridge over 441 is something you want to drive very carefully and so is the bridge over Lake Sumter. Thanks again for your input.

You are more then welcome. I'm very glad there will be Village traffic to the stores on the East side of 441/27. This will still give Wal-Mart the incentive to keep the path over Duke Energy Property Open.

[DAVIDPHS55]

I understand the wall came tumbling down. Very good. But, now a gate will be installed to keep us stonecrest residents from entering the villages. What a stupid idea. When and if we to go to the villages we will just have to come by car and instead of sharing a parking place with another golf cart, at the various shopping areas and squares we will take up a whole parking place, thereby reducing the number of parking places. Just imagine the post office at holiday time. The gate will not allow me (a disabled vet) golf cart access to the va facility on 42. While it did take my wife about an hour to get me there by golf cart it does save us gas. Just imagine the extra car traffic in the area once the snowbirds return.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I want to thank those Berlin Wall protesters for getting out there and bringing unwanted attention to those outside The Villages that will use any and I mean, the most minuscule tidbit to mock The Villages. You managed all by yourself to make a laughing stock out of The Villages.

Perhaps if you thought with your brains rather than emotions you could have quietly gone bout working through proper channels to get this issue resolved.

And ask yourself who started this brouhaha? A little over a week ago, Villages residents were going about their business; grocery shopping, going to the doctor, etc etc and all of a sudden, without any warning, this was no longer possible for some people. What are the residents, who can no longer go grocery shopping or get medical care, supposed to do? We wanted an explanation, simple as that. This is not a 'minuscule tidbit' to a lot of people.

If The Villages is a laughing stock, the developer or whoever ordered this wall be put up is the one who caused it.