[Evanleo]

I recently had to use the non-gate at Paradise to take my husband to the Vilage emergency room. That option is no longr available to us. Thank you ,whoever to the big brain who created this mess that denies us this convenience. You have created a huge group of unhappy villagers. What ever happened to the friendlyest home town?

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Evanleo

I recently had to use the non-gate at Paradise to take my husband to the Vilage emergency room. That option is no longr available to us. Thank you ,whoever to the big brain who created this mess that denies us this convenience. You have created a huge group of unhappy villagers. What ever happened to the friendlyest home town?

Hope all turned out ok.

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I suppose that could be a reason, but the ALC has been under construction for almost a year now. Why would the gate not have been closed when the plans for construction were approved?

There are several possible reasons that the wall went up. They may have found some non residents playing on a golf course or using a pool after hours, new lawyers may have felt that there is some kind of liability issue, the insurance company may have raise the rates because they just discovered what has been going on, residents may have been complaining about the traffic or there may have been an accident or close call of some sort.

These are all speculation just as the ALC being the reason is speculation. The supposed feud between Morse and Brown is also speculation. No one knows exactly what happened and all of this speculation doesn't help. I've met several people over the past few days that have told me that they absolutely know the reason. The problem is that they all had different reasons.

When people post all of these speculative reasons, they tend to grow and people repeat them like they are the absolute truth. I don't think that that does anyone any good.

"Maybe it's because", becomes, "I heard that it's because', which then becomes, "I know it's because". Then people for some reason what to defend their position.

Some people don't like the Morses because of some things they've done and other people simply don't like successful people. They really want this to be about greed and Morse acting like Ebenezer Scrooge so they can say, "See I told you so. All rich people are evil and out to get us".

I think that we all need to take a deep breath and ask ourselves what do we really know as fact and stop all the speculation.

What we do know now is that a plan has been proposed and if approved, which most people seem to think it will be, it will be good for the residents of the Villages and we will be back to our lovely lifestyle once again.

We can go on saying that we don't believe it, or it's all a set up, but what good does that really do anyone. I say wait and see and in the next few weeks if we don't hear of anything good happening start getting on the VHAs back about it. They took the initiative to meet with the developer and try to work something out. The ball is now in their court. But we have to give them a chance to see if they can produce what they are promising.

Are you kidding ??? Do you really believe the VHA initiated a meeting with the developer seeking a solution.The truth is more likely to be that the Developer insructed the VHA president what to say. I do agree that speculation gets us nowhere. The more important issue to me is why the Developer has remained mute regarding the wall issue. Want to end the speculation ?, Easy, one of the Morse's should have immediately doused the flames by providing the who directed the wall to be erected, when it was decided and finally why was it erected.... The VHA president and his "solution" is only playing the part of the dummy for a ventriloquist.

[scres]

Originally Posted by chuckinca

Should read:
The bottom line is Stonecrest is NOT very happy that Spruce Creek will xxx be able to get to Wal-Mart and the other shops on the East Side of 441/27 legally.

Stonecrest people are concerned about the Spruce Creek cart traffic on the frontage roads that are very dangerous due to 441/27 drivers avoiding the light at Sonic/CVS into Walmart by driving thru the Stonecrest frontage roads. Spruce Creek could have asked for permission to cross at the Sonic/CVS light crossing as they have access to it thru their back gate. A legal cart crossing there would have been available for use by Spuce Creek, Stonecrest and the Villages and would have been great for those stores and a safer drive for Spruce Creek Carts.

Stonecrest has automatic cart gates north and south of Walmart and do not usually drive carts on the frontage roads.

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"Stonecrest people are concerned" Can you be more specific. This is erroneous. What Stonecrest people are concerned? Who and/or what is the source of your information? I know many Stonecrest residents and they are not concerned about the 441 crossing. Do you represent Stonecrest?

[orgunvs]

Thank you to who ever has continued to contact channel 9. There is a urgency to remove the wall for the citizens that live in the history area. Picture this, a lot of them moved there 20 years old when they retired. They cannot afford car insurance or taxi cab rides. I talked with many of the citizens over in the historic side and they are afraid of what will happen. The wall was still standing today. I hope that it will be down by the end of the week so they may go to their banks and Dr's. Please go to the township meeting on Monday at 6m. Please pick up your neighbors that cannot drive. There are many of them that will need our help.

[co519]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Oot, if you have ever rented or stayed at a motel in The Villages, you are residing in The Villages and on Villages property. That statement doesn't compare to providing a service to Stonecrest, (gate access) on a 24/7 basis for which we pay a premium.

Residents of Stonecrest, as I said earlier, I'm sure are very nice, good people, I think EdV is a good example of that. I think I'm also a very nice, neat, careful person but would you open the back door of your house and tell me or anyone in the vicinity to come in and use the TV or the kitchen or whatever anytime? We wouldn't cause any wear and tear...

The residents in Stonecrest bought there and not in The Villages for all of their own reasons and I respect that. It's a nice community.
They did not opt to live and pay amenity fees in The Villages. I guess I don't understand the philosophy that Villagers need to open their back door and provide for Stonecrest and Spruce Creek, or any other development in that area, so they may use golf cart access. Once it is established there shall be public access to that area by any golf carts, you can't go back. Is it fair to the residents in OB to lay additional cart traffic next to and past their homes?

Many people from TV seem to have a problem with Stonecrest accessing the villages by golf cart. So you would rather have them and anybody else in a car drive around your neighborhood? I am sure you realize that anybody that knows how to push a button can get in and drive a car anywhere they want and access all those areas you claim to be so sacred. I seem to be missing the problem of having golf carts as apposed to any car from any place in any state just driving around, Just my little thought!!!

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by co519

Many people from TV seem to have a problem with Stonecrest accessing the villages by golf cart. So you would rather have them and anybody else in a car drive around your neighborhood? I am sure you realize that anybody that knows how to push a button can get in and drive a car anywhere they want and access all those areas you claim to be so sacred. I seem to be missing the problem of having golf carts as apposed to any car from any place in any state just driving around, Just my little thought!!!

Does everyone realize you can rent a Golf Cart at SS and go where ever you care to go? I own an electric cart so I don't go far. The ones for rent are gas and can travel a long long way. Now anyone can rent these carts. I'd be more worried about this then having a StoneCrest or Spruce Creek resident coming over to the Villages via the golf cart.

[PennBF]

I guess if I were the individual responsible for the closing of the cart path I would stay awake at night hoping no one was injured as a result of the action. Hoping that lack of access to the emergency rooms, etc. did not lead to someone being harmed. This stuff is what real problems grow out of and afterwards there are always regrets.

[chuckinca]

Originally Posted by scres

"Stonecrest people are concerned" Can you be more specific. This is erroneous. What Stonecrest people are concerned? Who and/or what is the source of your information? I know many Stonecrest residents and they are not concerned about the 441 crossing. Do you represent Stonecrest?

Many of the Stonecrest residents we associate with in about 20 clubs and activities each month. I don't but my wife is on the boards of about 4 clubs/activities.

Do you represent Stonecrest? Where do you get your info that Stonecrest is not concerned about the 441 crossing? Be specific.

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[mulligan]

This has gotten way off topic.

[ttown]

Agreed. We need to continue to monitor the wall, and discuss what actions will be needed if nothing is done.

[NoMoSno]

I wonder why a pedestrian/bike/mobility scooter access was not left in the wall.
Since there are no sidewalks on 441, it would have let those that were able, to at least get to jobs and medical facilities, until a resolution is found.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Are you kidding ??? Do you really believe the VHA initiated a meeting with the developer seeking a solution.The truth is more likely to be that the Developer insructed the VHA president what to say. I do agree that speculation gets us nowhere.

Does anyone else find this hysterical?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by oot

I agree with you EdV. There may be people on the other side who have grown to use businesses on our side of the wall as well. They may use doctors in our community. It is a shame this whole situation ever happened in the first place.

People from communities like Stonecrest should not be able to use our pools and such...and I don't they go out of their way to do so. They have their own pool (which is really nice!) They do however, spend money at the stores, which helps keep those stores in our community.

Even if they were to drive a cart on one of the paths instead of the public streets - is it really that big of a deal. Life is short - can't we all just get along??

The difference is that Villages residents don't have to cut across Stonecrest property in order to access the medical center, assisted living facility, or any of the other businesses we are talking about here.

In order to get to Publix or Target, Stonecrest residents have to cut across a small piece of property that is owned by the Villages.
I have no problem with Stonecrest residents being able to do that, but the owner of that piece of property might.

Both the Villages residents and Stonecrest residents do have to cut across the properties of those businesses who are very willing and happy to have us do that. I don't know who owns the dirt path but I am assuming that it is the ALC as the cement water retention area was built at the same time as the ALC building. But, it could be that Mr Brown still owns it and he would have every right not to allow anyone to cross there. Like with all private property, it is the choice of whoever owns it to welcome golf cart traffic or not.

[EdV]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

In order to get to Publix or Target, Stonecrest residents have to cut across a small piece of property that is owned by the Villages.
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That path is the only way to get to/from the state DOT approved bridge that crosses 441, a state highway. The state would have never approved the bridge unless that path was also made public.

Can we stop quibbling over patches of cart paths now?