[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by Regor

I think it was great that the people from Stone Crest could drive their carts here. Now they will come by car. Think of the parking problems! Spanish Springs has already lost parking due to the Church's expansion. Every car takes away 2 to 4 golf cart parking spots. I feel the people from Stone Crest will continue to come here but will now make it harder for everyone to find parking.

Do you really think there were that many people from Stone Crest coming to the Villages by golf cart ???

[Skybo]

Originally Posted by Regor

I think it was great that the people from Stone Crest could drive their carts here. Now they will come by car. Think of the parking problems! Spanish Springs has already lost parking due to the Church's expansion. Every car takes away 2 to 4 golf cart parking spots. I feel the people from Stone Crest will continue to come here but will now make it harder for everyone to find parking.

There seems to be some conflicting opinions on the amount of off-site visitors coming in on golf carts. Some say the amount is minuscule while others contend that the increase in vehicular traffic would cause driving and parking problems if golf cart access was denied. So which is it? It can't be both.

I also wonder if TV residents would support open golf cart access from Wildwood and Fruitland Park?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

Too many people accept what ever they are given and roll over. What a different world we would live in if our forfathers had accepted what those in authority had given to them. For example, Pilgrims escaped to America to get out of religious prosecution, or perhaps we would still have slavery if a particular element of society hadn't risen up against what they deemed to be a wrong. Jim Jones led hundreds to their deaths simply because they were apathetic to his directions. Any developer' priorities are to make money, surely it is apparent to all that the developers respect in developments is definately not directed to the residents. I hear over and over, "the developer has provided all these wonderful things for us" , true, but the purpose was and is to sell homes, not to make you happy.

When a person buys a home in a deed restricted development and one that is run by the developer, that person in essence turns the decision making about how the place is run to someone else. A home owner in a CDD cannot vote on anything. ANYTHING.

The purpose of ANY business is to take in more than you pay out. Also a successful business employs people who pay taxes. I have no problem with this business that runs where I live running in the black.

If any potential buyers want to be part of the decisions that impact how things are done in their community, find someplace else to live.

We have owned property for six years here and not once did we have an opportunity to vote for or against anyone or anything.

It is a huge decision to make. Most find it works out to their liking.

We chose a place that is run like this so that people without experience do not take over and mess things up.

Anyone who has ever attended a homeowners association meeting or has been part of a homeowners board of directors will know JUST what I mean.

It is a choice to live here.

To me,

An EXCELLENT choice.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

Do you really think there were that many people from Stone Crest coming to the Villages by golf cart ???

Yes. Stonecresters admit themselves how they will clog our parking lots with cars. Now that is far from 2 carts crossing daily. Read through the posts and add to that number of carts those that will come from Spruce Creek and further developments in this area.

I think the bottom line is many people in The Villages are amazed at Stonecresters insisting they have a right to the cart paths built and maintained by The Villages that are next to public roads. Stonecrest was NEVER meant to have that private cart access to The Villages, that was meant for the residents of the historic section ONLY.

Everyone needs to remember, there was indeed a gate near that location at a previous time to prevent the Stonecrest population entry and it was abused and destroyed by trespassers to the private paths. Stonecrest's access to The Villages was meant to be through the public roads, period. If you didn't buy your property in The Villages, get in your car or street legal cart and drive over to the town square. We do just that to get to the shopping plaza on Rolling Acres Road across from The Villages and yes, it does take extra gas but that's just the way it is. Why is The Villages being bullied by a neighboring community insisting we will provide them access to our cart paths. Stunning! And please don't tell me non-Villagers can use any of the multimodal/golf cart paths on private property in The Villagers. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH US, PAY WITH US.

There is a pervasive perception growing in the United States, in my humble opinion, that there are no boundaries or limits or ownership to anything in this country. Even though many don't want to expend the money, effort or time to attain what is coveted from their fellow human beings, they insist on all the rights and same privileges as their fellow citizens. This path situation is a prime example.

And to the people in the historic section, should one of the property owner block access to land which that path crosses to give you cart accessibility to the shopping complexes on 27/441 after the gate is installed, SO BE IT! It is private property, get over the entitlement mentality which many of you harbor even though you knew this could happen when you designed your life around the illegal path.

Though one may have difficulties, many people living in The Villages have far greater problems than you have and they don't expect freebies from something they never purchased to make their lives simpler. Adapt, adjust to any changes and think bootstraps, pull yourself up by them.

I truly wonder why anyone aspires to anything in this country anymore since great success leads to slanderous name calling, intense jealousy, lawsuits, and any other annoyance the fellow American's can produce. Success has become evil in the eyes of many and it's very disturbing.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by SpicyCajunPugs

Yes, outside realtors seem to like selling the nearby neighborhoods because they can't sell Villages property. So they will stress the proximaty and convenience to the villages and its amenities. I don't blame Morse for being upset about that and trying to do something to prevent it. You have to pay the piper to play.

The people paying the piper are The Villages residents, not the developer.

If we residents are upset with a few outsiders using our golf cart paths and amenities then we should organise ourselves and ask for something to be done.

If, however, we are happy to share our golf cart paths with a few outsiders, as we appear to have been for the past twenty years, then we should expect the status quo to be maintained.

If the developer (or the VCDD or VHA or whoever actually represents us) thinks that a change might benefiit the residents then they should publish their ideas in The Daily Sun, call a meeting and hold a referendum - not just unilaterally build a wall at 6 am on a Saturday morning in the mistaken belief that "the developer knows best".

[red tail]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Yes. Stonecresters admit themselves how they will clog our parking lots with cars. Now that is far from 2 carts crossing daily. Read through the posts and add to that number of carts those that will come from Spruce Creek and further developments in this area.

I think the bottom line is many people in The Villages are amazed at Stonecresters insisting they have a right to the cart paths built and maintained by The Villages that are next to public roads. Stonecrest was NEVER meant to have that private cart access to The Villages, that was meant for the residents of the historic section ONLY.

Everyone needs to remember, there was indeed a gate near that location at a previous time to prevent the Stonecrest population entry and it was abused and destroyed by trespassers to the private paths. Stonecrest's access to The Villages was meant to be through the public roads, period. If you didn't buy your property in The Villages, get in your car or street legal cart and drive over to the town square. We do just that to get to the shopping plaza on Rolling Acres Road across from The Villages and yes, it does take extra gas but that's just the way it is. Why is The Villages being bullied by a neighboring community insisting we will provide them access to our cart paths. Stunning! And please don't tell me non-Villagers can use any of the multimodal/golf cart paths on private property in The Villagers. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH US, PAY WITH US.

There is a pervasive perception growing in the United States, in my humble opinion, that there are no boundaries or limits or ownership to anything in this country. Even though many don't want to expend the money, effort or time to attain what is coveted from their fellow human beings, they insist on all the rights and same privileges as their fellow citizens. This path situation is a prime example.

And to the people in the historic section, should one of the property owner block access to land which that path crosses to give you cart accessibility to the shopping complexes on 27/441 after the gate is installed, SO BE IT! It is private property, get over the entitlement mentality which most of you harbor even though you knew this could happen when you designed your life around the illegal path.

Though one may have difficulties, many people living in The Villages have far greater problems than you have and they don't expect freebies from something they never purchased to make their lives simpler. Adapt, adjust to any changes and think bootstraps, pull yourself up by them.

I truly wonder why anyone aspires to anything in this country anymore since great success leads to slanderous name calling, intense jealousy, lawsuits, and any other annoyance the fellow American's can produce. Success has become evil in the eyes of many and it's very disturbing.

great post.....

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

The people paying the piper are The Villages residents, not the developer.

If we residents are upset with a few outsiders using our golf cart paths and amenities then we should organise ourselves and ask for something to be done.

If, however, we are happy to share our golf cart paths with a few outsiders, as we appear to have been for the past twenty years, then we should expect the status quo to be maintained.

If the developer (or the VCDD or VHA or whoever actually represents us) thinks that a change might benefiit the residents then they should publish their ideas in The Daily Sun, call a meeting and hold a referendum - not just unilaterally build a wall at 6 am on a Saturday morning in the mistaken belief that "the developer knows best".

I don't think many people read posts preceding their own by more than one.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Yes. Stonecresters admit themselves how they will clog our parking lots with cars. Now that is far from 2 carts crossing daily. Read through the posts and add to that number of carts those that will come from Spruce Creek and further developments in this area.

I think the bottom line is many people in The Villages are amazed at Stonecresters insisting they have a right to the cart paths built and maintained by The Villages that are next to public roads. Stonecrest was NEVER meant to have that private cart access to The Villages, that was meant for the residents of the historic section ONLY.

Everyone needs to remember, there was indeed a gate near that location at a previous time to prevent the Stonecrest population entry and it was abused and destroyed by trespassers to the private paths. Stonecrest's access to The Villages was meant to be through the public roads, period. If you didn't buy your property in The Villages, get in your car or street legal cart and drive over to the town square. We do just that to get to the shopping plaza on Rolling Acres Road across from The Villages and yes, it does take extra gas but that's just the way it is. Why is The Villages being bullied by a neighboring community insisting we will provide them access to our cart paths. Stunning! And please don't tell me non-Villagers can use any of the multimodal/golf cart paths on private property in The Villagers. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH US, PAY WITH US.

There is a pervasive perception growing in the United States, in my humble opinion, that there are no boundaries or limits or ownership to anything in this country. Even though many don't want to expend the money, effort or time to attain what is coveted from their fellow human beings, they insist on all the rights and same privileges as their fellow citizens. This path situation is a prime example.

And to the people in the historic section, should one of the property owner block access to land which that path crosses to give you cart accessibility to the shopping complexes on 27/441 after the gate is installed, SO BE IT! It is private property, get over the entitlement mentality which most of you harbor even though you knew this could happen when you designed your life around the illegal path.

Though one may have difficulties, many people living in The Villages have far greater problems than you have and they don't expect freebies from something they never purchased to make their lives simpler. Adapt, adjust to any changes and think bootstraps, pull yourself up by them.

I truly wonder why anyone aspires to anything in this country anymore since great success leads to slanderous name calling, intense jealousy, lawsuits, and any other annoyance the fellow American's can produce. Success has become evil in the eyes of many and it's very disturbing.

This post definitely helped the relations between the two communities. As a stonecrest resident and being very active with in the community I doubt that the who ever posted something that put a bur in your saddle is not a representation of our community.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Yes. Stonecresters admit themselves how they will clog our parking lots with cars. Now that is far from 2 carts crossing daily. Read through the posts and add to that number of carts those that will come from Spruce Creek and further developments in this area.

I think the bottom line is many people in The Villages are amazed at Stonecresters insisting they have a right to the cart paths built and maintained by The Villages that are next to public roads. Stonecrest was NEVER meant to have that private cart access to The Villages, that was meant for the residents of the historic section ONLY.

Everyone needs to remember, there was indeed a gate near that location at a previous time to prevent the Stonecrest population entry and it was abused and destroyed by trespassers to the private paths. Stonecrest's access to The Villages was meant to be through the public roads, period. If you didn't buy your property in The Villages, get in your car or street legal cart and drive over to the town square. We do just that to get to the shopping plaza on Rolling Acres Road across from The Villages and yes, it does take extra gas but that's just the way it is. Why is The Villages being bullied by a neighboring community insisting we will provide them access to our cart paths. Stunning! And please don't tell me non-Villagers can use any of the multimodal/golf cart paths on private property in The Villagers. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH US, PAY WITH US.

There is a pervasive perception growing in the United States, in my humble opinion, that there are no boundaries or limits or ownership to anything in this country. Even though many don't want to expend the money, effort or time to attain what is coveted from their fellow human beings, they insist on all the rights and same privileges as their fellow citizens. This path situation is a prime example.

And to the people in the historic section, should one of the property owner block access to land which that path crosses to give you cart accessibility to the shopping complexes on 27/441 after the gate is installed, SO BE IT! It is private property, get over the entitlement mentality which most of you harbor even though you knew this could happen when you designed your life around the illegal path.

Though one may have difficulties, many people living in The Villages have far greater problems than you have and they don't expect freebies from something they never purchased to make their lives simpler. Adapt, adjust to any changes and think bootstraps, pull yourself up by them.

I truly wonder why anyone aspires to anything in this country anymore since great success leads to slanderous name calling, intense jealousy, lawsuits, and any other annoyance the fellow American's can produce. Success has become evil in the eyes of many and it's very disturbing.

Strongly said, but true. Ouch, Peach. woowie. Boy Howdy.

[Jim 9922]

Originally Posted by red tail

great post.....

I second that for Peachie's post!

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

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We chose a place that is run like this so that people without experience do not take over and mess things up.

Anyone who has ever attended a homeowners association meeting or has been part of a homeowners board of directors will know JUST what I mean.

I completely agree. Anyone who has never lived in a community that was run by a homeowners association or condo association has no idea how bad things can get when a bunch of idiots with personal agendas gets control of the Board of Directors. The place just starts falling apart while the Board bickers about the style and cost of maintenance.

[ilovetv]

There is a pervasive perception growing in the United States, in my humble opinion, that there are no boundaries or limits or ownership to anything in this country. Even though many don't want to expend the money, effort or time to attain what is coveted from their fellow human beings, they insist on all the rights and same privileges as their fellow citizens. This path situation is a prime example......

......I truly wonder why anyone aspires to anything in this country anymore since great success leads to slanderous name calling, intense jealousy, lawsuits, and any other annoyance the fellow American's can produce. Success has become evil in the eyes of many and it's very disturbing.

The "What's Yours is Mine" attitude has been taking over more in recent years, and it's turning this society into a bunch of squatters, moochers and bums.

Private property ownership goes all the way back to Moses and the Ten Commandments, in that people are not to covet nor steal what belongs to somebody else.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by friartax

All villages amenities are subject to ID checks. The only place I've seen large numbers of non-Villagers has been at the Tiki Bar at OBH during Karaoke. Of course, the Tiki Bar is open to the public, but the pool is not. As far as the streets--not one street in Lady Lake is maintained by assessment fees, nor is the bridge. All are open to the public. Apparently Morse screwed up years ago and has been trying to make up for it ever since. Why else do we not have golf cart access to 5 Guys, Kohls, Home Depot, Sam's? All we would have to do is cross 35mph streets, which is certainly allowed by the State, but The Developer opposes it! Come to Monday's meeting and get the answers to these question! By the way, the golf cart bridge crosses a Federal/state highway. I'll bet that any access over, under, or across a fed/st highway must be open to the public.

You are correct about the public access. The Villages was built using tax free bonds. To do that it need to be classified in a way that allowed it to issue those bonds thus making it pretty much like any other city. This means that you cannot restrict access based on residential location. You cannot do this any more then Ocala can but up gates restricting outside access to their residential streets. I'm sorry some of the Villagers are upset about that and what they wrongly perceive as hordes of outsiders using their swimming pools, etc. Its just not happening. There probably is a solution however. Don't know if it would work or can be done. The Villages could call all those bonds, pay back the $400 million plus, reclassify the development and you could built a twenty foot wall around the whole complex. But I will tell you this doing so will not reduce any of the property taxes you pay to the county.

Another suggestion is to issue a trail sticker for any Golf Cart that uses the paths. You will not be able to restrict sale of those sticker to only Village residents but you would gain revenue from people that are not residents that use the paths. I do believe that would be within the authority of The Villages.

I could be wrong on these suggestions for what do I know I'm just a lowly outsider.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by buzzy

I completely agree. Anyone who has never lived in a community that was run by a homeowners association or condo association has no idea how bad things can get when a bunch of idiots with personal agendas gets control of the Board of Directors. The place just starts falling apart while the Board bickers about the style and cost of maintenance.

Yep, I was a condo President once, never again.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Strongly said, but true. Ouch, Peach. woowie. Boy Howdy.

Yep, lets keep pointing fingers at each other and stirring up the pot. When will the first cannon ball fly?