[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that sales point. Everything down at Spanish Springs, Sumter Landing, and Brown Wood are open to the general public. They are near by and available.

But the link that I posted says that they are golf cart accessible.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Lets get the facts straight. Look at the address bar in the browser. This text was not written and is no part of the Stonecrest website. This is a third party website. Please be accurate with your information. There is enough bad feelings being generated over this without adding to it with erroneous information.

Yup, my bad. But, the homes in Stonecrest are being sold on the basis of the Villages being golf cart accessible. And that is the important point.

[SpicyCajunPugs]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

But the link that I posted says that they are golf cart accessible.

Yes, and that is what a lot of people feel is misleading and why Morse may want to try to block some of their claimed "access". It would make most believe that Stonecrest has total golf cart accessibility

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Are you sure that it's being deeded to the VCCDD and not the VCDD? Janet Tutt is in charge of the VCDD and the VHA represents all homeowners in the Villages.

To clarify a point, the VCDD is merely an acronym for all the Community Development Districts. See Acronyms at districtgov.org. So, not being a legal entity, the VCDD cannot own property. The VCCDD is the Villages Center Community Development District, which encompasses Spanish Springs; so the property would apparently be deeded to the VCCDD under the proposal.

More importantly, the VHA does not represent "all homeowners in the Villages." It is an organization whose inception was sponsored by the Developer and which continues to be subsidized by the Developer in an obvious effort to weaken the POA. I view with some skepticism the Daily Sun's story about the VHA's going to the Developer with the solution to the wall controversy. In reality, it seems that the Developer, after surrepticiously erecting the wall in the middle of the night, backed down in the face of public outrage.

Janet Tutt, by the virtue of her position, does technically represent all homeowners in The Villages. However, given the structure of government here, it is unlikely that she is ever going to do anything except follow the Developer's lead in any controversies between the homeowners and the Developer.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

First that is not the official Stonecrest website and secondly if you read the text carefully without emotion it never says you have access to the Villages via Golf Cart, "A short Golf Cart ride to Village Activities". I myself find it misleading but it is truthful. I can do what it claims without using your Golf Cart paths. If it were my business I would not have put that in there. Armstrong is the builder now building in Stonecrest not the official voice of Stonecrest. It is their website and not our's. we have no control.

How about this one? Is this also not the official Stonecrest website?

Stonecrest Country Club - Armstrong Homes - Active Adult Living Florida

And take a short golf cart ride to all the amenities in The Villages, including shopping, healthcare and entertainment.

[SpicyCajunPugs]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

How about this one? Is this also not the official Stonecrest website?

Stonecrest Country Club - Armstrong Homes - Active Adult Living Florida

I believe it is, and VERY misleading in addition. Further, resales and property values are less than in the villages because of perceived value.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Yup, my bad. But, the homes in Stonecrest are being sold on the basis of the Villages being golf cart accessible. And that is the important point.

Originally Posted by SpicyCajunPugs

Yes, and that is what a lot of people feel is misleading and why Morse may want to try to block some of their claimed "access". It would make most believe that Stonecrest has total golf cart accessibility

Thank you. That is what I was trying to get at in my post. While the statement is technically true, it's just a bit misleading.

That may not be the real stonecrest web site, but my google search didn't come up with the real Stonecrest web site. Can anyone provide it?

I'm not against Stonecrest accessing TV. I just really object to vague, misleading advertising.

[bkcunningham1]

People in Stonecrest can access TV by cart though. What is misleading about that statement? It is all true. It isn't misleading when it is true. Come on.

[friartax]

All villages amenities are subject to ID checks. The only place I've seen large numbers of non-Villagers has been at the Tiki Bar at OBH during Karaoke. Of course, the Tiki Bar is open to the public, but the pool is not. As far as the streets--not one street in Lady Lake is maintained by assessment fees, nor is the bridge. All are open to the public. Apparently Morse screwed up years ago and has been trying to make up for it ever since. Why else do we not have golf cart access to 5 Guys, Kohls, Home Depot, Sam's? All we would have to do is cross 35mph streets, which is certainly allowed by the State, but The Developer opposes it! Come to Monday's meeting and get the answers to these question! By the way, the golf cart bridge crosses a Federal/state highway. I'll bet that any access over, under, or across a fed/st highway must be open to the public.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Thank you. That is what I was trying to get at in my post. While the statement is technically true, it's just a bit misleading.

That may not be the real stonecrest web site, but my google search didn't come up with the real Stonecrest web site. Can anyone provide it?

I'm not against Stonecrest accessing TV. I just really object to vague, misleading advertising.

See post #1057. But you're correct, it is very difficult to find.

[Moderator]

A reminder...please address the topic and not each other. This is an emotionally charged topic but we still expect members to agree or disagree with civility and respect towards each other.

[rp001]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I have been reading this forum for six years and the same people over and over and over have the same level of bitterness against the developer.

When a mistake like this happens, they nearly jump for joy to pile on.

To me it is ugly. It takes down the whole community, does no good, and just throws dirt back into the faces of those who are ALWAYS negative.

If I felt the way that some did, about the way things are run, I would put my home up for sale, sell it in a couple of weeks, pocket the money and be on my way.

I ,too, have seen the same people posting over and over again how our benevolent dictator can do no wrong. Just because folks call out this guy for actions that are directed specifically to residents, with no regard for any hurt it may cause, does not mean they don't love it here. I have lived in many homes in the state of Florida and can tell you and all others from experience, that a builder does not have the resident's interest at heart. It is all about money. The only way to get concessions is to raise a little hell now and then,especially when you are right. Granted, he is a great businessman, but maybe a little egotistic and callous now and then.

The action taken was not a mistake, it was planned at best, or a knee jerk reaction at worst. What was in fact the mistake was the miscalculation of the firestorm that would erupt. Thank God for those that have the guts to stand up against money and greed to see the right thing done..That is what makes this country and community so great, not a developer.

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by Advogado

To clarify a point, the VCDD is merely an acronym for all the Community Development Districts. See Acronyms at districtgov.org. So, not being a legal entity, the VCDD cannot own property. The VCCDD is the Villages Center Community Development District, which encompasses Spanish Springs; so the property would apparently be deeded to the VCCDD under the proposal.

More importantly, the VHA does not represent "all homeowners in the Villages." It is an organization whose inception was sponsored by the Developer and which continues to be subsidized by the Developer in an obvious effort to weaken the POA. I view with some skepticism the Daily Sun's story about the VHA's going to the Developer with the solution to the wall controversy. In reality, it seems that the Developer, after surrepticiously erecting the wall in the middle of the night, backed down in the face of public outrage.



Janet Tutt, by the virtue of her position, does technically represent all homeowners in The Villages. However, given the structure of government here, it is unlikely that she is ever going to do anything except follow the Developer's lead in any controversies between the homeowners and the Developer.

Advogado, finally you have posted a comment that is absolutely on the mark. So many have created postings containing misinformation. The crazy thing about Janet tutt is that she is technically paid by the Villages residents and is indirectly a employee of the Residents. BUT, she is not hired or directed by the residents. She actually is appointed by the VCCDD board, a board composed of members elected by the only real landowner in the VCCDD (Spanish Springs Downtown Area) that being Gary Morse. Only a fool would accept the premise that Tutt would ever oppose the wishes of the Developer Morse. We saw this follow the Developer wishes for years with the person Ms Tutt replaced. When Wahl held that position, we purchased property for many times it's cost to build. We even paid for a liner in a retention pond which happened to be on the private property of Nancy Lopez golf course. Thanks to some resident watchdogs, this was corrected with a refund, but it even happening, causes one to wonder..... Again thanks for your accurate and informative posting.

[Regor]

I think it was great that the people from Stone Crest could drive their carts here. Now they will come by car. Think of the parking problems! Spanish Springs has already lost parking due to the Church's expansion. Every car takes away 2 to 4 golf cart parking spots. I feel the people from Stone Crest will continue to come here but will now make it harder for everyone to find parking.

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by rp001

I ,too, have seen the same people posting over and over again how our benevolent dictator can do no wrong. Just because folks call out this guy for actions that are directed specifically to residents, with no regard for any hurt it may cause, does not mean they don't love it here. I have lived in many homes in the state of Florida and can tell you and all others from experience, that a builder does not have the resident's interest at heart. It is all about money. The only way to get concessions is to raise a little hell now and then,especially when you are right. Granted, he is a great businessman, but maybe a little egotistic and callous now and then.

The action taken was not a mistake, it was planned at best, or a knee jerk reaction at worst. What was in fact the mistake was the miscalculation of the firestorm that would erupt. Thank God for those that have the guts to stand up against money and greed to see the right thing done..That is what makes this country and community so great, not a developer.

Too many people accept what ever they are given and roll over. What a different world we would live in if our forfathers had accepted what those in authority had given to them. For example, Pilgrims escaped to America to get out of religious prosecution, or perhaps we would still have slavery if a particular element of society hadn't risen up against what they deemed to be a wrong. Jim Jones led hundreds to their deaths simply because they were apathetic to his directions. Any developer' priorities are to make money, surely it is apparent to all that the developers respect in developments is definately not directed to the residents. I hear over and over, "the developer has provided all these wonderful things for us" , true, but the purpose was and is to sell homes, not to make you happy.