[chuckinca]

Now that the state is allowing golf carts to cross 441/27 at existing stops lights, see the discussion concerning Sruce Creek, how long will it be until the crossing from Buenas Aires to Lowes is golf cart legal?

This would probably eliminate most of the trickle of Stonecrest & Spruce Creek cart traffic thru the Paradise Cart Path and provide the hordes of TV residents from Marion County and northern Sumter County quicker access to shop at 441/27 Walmart and the other stores on the east side of 441/27 north of TV.

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[TVMayor]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

If, as some people in this thread have stated, there are only about 15-20 non resident golf carts, per day, coming through that gate, assuming that they are not all going to Spanish Springs Town Square, and assuming that they are not all coming at the same time, I can't see it being much of a problem.

Also 15-20 golf carts per day, which I'm going to estimate as 20-30 people per day, all going to different businesses is not going to have a substantial impact on any of those businesses.

I would question “some people in this thread” and ask how do you differentiate between a resident and a non resident golf cart to achieve a total of non resident golf carts and I would ask while compiling the total of non resident golf carts did you notice “The Wall” being constructed.

[gemorc]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I have been reading this forum for six years and the same people over and over and over have the same level of bitterness against the developer.

When a mistake like this happens, they nearly jump for joy to pile on.

To me it is ugly. It takes down the whole community, does no good, and just throws dirt back into the faces of those who are ALWAYS negative.

If I felt the way that some did, about the way things are run, I would put my home up for sale, sell it in a couple of weeks, pocket the money and be on my way.

That is exactly what I am trying to do.

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Yes. Stonecresters admit themselves how they will clog our parking lots with cars. Now that is far from 2 carts crossing daily. Read through the posts and add to that number of carts those that will come from Spruce Creek and further developments in this area.

I think the bottom line is many people in The Villages are amazed at Stonecresters insisting they have a right to the cart paths built and maintained by The Villages that are next to public roads. Stonecrest was NEVER meant to have that private cart access to The Villages, that was meant for the residents of the historic section ONLY.

Everyone needs to remember, there was indeed a gate near that location at a previous time to prevent the Stonecrest population entry and it was abused and destroyed by trespassers to the private paths. Stonecrest's access to The Villages was meant to be through the public roads, period. If you didn't buy your property in The Villages, get in your car or street legal cart and drive over to the town square. We do just that to get to the shopping plaza on Rolling Acres Road across from The Villages and yes, it does take extra gas but that's just the way it is. Why is The Villages being bullied by a neighboring community insisting we will provide them access to our cart paths. Stunning! And please don't tell me non-Villagers can use any of the multimodal/golf cart paths on private property in The Villagers. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH US, PAY WITH US.

There is a pervasive perception growing in the United States, in my humble opinion, that there are no boundaries or limits or ownership to anything in this country. Even though many don't want to expend the money, effort or time to attain what is coveted from their fellow human beings, they insist on all the rights and same privileges as their fellow citizens. This path situation is a prime example.

And to the people in the historic section, should one of the property owner block access to land which that path crosses to give you cart accessibility to the shopping complexes on 27/441 after the gate is installed, SO BE IT! It is private property, get over the entitlement mentality which many of you harbor even though you knew this could happen when you designed your life around the illegal path.

Though one may have difficulties, many people living in The Villages have far greater problems than you have and they don't expect freebies from something they never purchased to make their lives simpler. Adapt, adjust to any changes and think bootstraps, pull yourself up by them.

I truly wonder why anyone aspires to anything in this country anymore since great success leads to slanderous name calling, intense jealousy, lawsuits, and any other annoyance the fellow American's can produce. Success has become evil in the eyes of many and it's very disturbing.

Your post is filled with so many statement errors that it is difficult for a response. First, where in the world did you get the information that the Stone Crest residents would clog our parking lots ??? I have read dozens of postings from the historic side that state ther is no huge influx of golf carts from up north. And as to the orginal gate, it was not vandalized, it was ordered removed by the town of Lady Lake. Other than the "major" thoroughfares (Buena Vista for instance) anyone can travel almost anywhere in the Villages community using county highways and streets. These County facilities are not for the use of only Villages residents. Adding to the fact that that if a "Northern Visitor" has a street legal cart they legally can go anywhere in our community. . Well enough said.

[deltaguy]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Here is an article about that problem from an outside source, The Orlando Sentinel.


I can't imagine the developer not fixing things like mold in the ceiling.


Villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - Orlando Sentinel

Why would you provide a link to an article from March 2008? Perhaps if you go back a few years further you can also find a few articles and National Newscasts about the Developer having the American Flag removed from a flagpole of a Villages resident. While they have created a great community, they are not without their faults, a factor that many of their disciples fail to understand. Perhaps if you think they are perfect you might explain why no listings from Properties of the Villages are Multiple listed to give other Realtors an opportunity to get in on the action. I'm confident this sort of stuff keeps the competitors out goes on all the time. How many Golf Cart Stores are allowed on TV property since the startup of the Villages Golf Cart Operation. (Answer is 1, Town and Country which predated the Villages Golf Cart inception). (No, The AVG Store in Palm Ridge Plaza is not on a Villages owned property).

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

First, where in the world did you get the information that the Stone Crest residents would clog our parking lots ???

I think that you'll find that this thread is loaded with statements from Villages residents and non residents that, preventing outsiders from entering the Villages in their golf carts will lead to parking problems in the squares and elsewhere in the Villages.

I happen to think that this is false, but many people tried to make a case for allowing golf cart through the gate in question by making that argument.

It's interesting that many of those same people also have asserted that there are very few carts (15-20 per day) coming through the gate.

The term "trying to have it both ways" comes to mind.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by TVMayor

I would question “some people in this thread” and ask how do you differentiate between a resident and a non resident golf cart to achieve a total of non resident golf carts and I would ask while compiling the total of non resident golf carts did you notice “The Wall” being constructed.

I agree that we really have no way of knowing how many non residents come through that gate. I was simply responding to the statement that some people have made that closing the gate would lead to clogging up the parking spaces within the Villages while at the same time arguing that there are only 15-20 carts coming through per day.

Those are not my numbers. I was simply saying that you can't argue both of these points at the same time.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

and perhaps not, rubicon.

i learned long ago not to judge people or their actions - for they all have a reason important to them for what they do and think. mine is not to reason why - but to try to understand if i choose to and simply insure that i am not injured by their actions/thoughts.

declaring that people did not think with their brains is a most demeaning statement in my book of judgements. i am sorry to see you post such a statement.

i do believe that the actions of villagers and non-villagers was sufficient, for all who watched and listened, to let them know that we are not a group who will lie back and take it and wait for something to happen - but that villagers can be motivated when they deem it necessary to take action.

and, to me, that attitude is not one that makes them a laughng stock..nor is it an attitude by which we should be embarrassed.

njbchbum: it truly does cause me discomfort to believe that anyone would believe I harbor anything but good will toward my fellow men. However, when people make a spectacle of themselves by screaming "take down that Berlin Wall, well I believe those actions speak for themselves as being emotional and not cerebral. Because of their histrionics The Villages received bad publicity locally and nationally. Because I am in the minority on this issue doesn't mean I am wrong.

Personal Best Regards:

[Arctic Fox]

Can anyone enlighten me as to how many residents there are at each of Stone Crest and Spruce Creek?

Thanks

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Preowned homes can be sold by VLS, the Villages Listing Service, or by MLS, Multiple Listing Service. As suggested in Winston's post above, competing agents from VLS and MLS do NOT have the right to show and sell each other's listings, and split the commission. This is a unique situation unlike most other cities. Back in the day, all houses were listed and sold via MLS, but problems developed, and the unique VLS system was developed.

This fact is the reason why most purchasers of resale homes choose to work with two agents, one from VLS and one from MLA.

Thank you for that clarification. As I said, I wasn't sure about how it works here, but where I came from agents would work with together to sell each other's listing, splitting the commission.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Justjac

I'm confused, Rubicon. On TOTV, you blast those who protested the wall... Yet, on *************.com you post the following:

By Rubicon:
"Great move? Cause a major confrontation? Create confusion and hardships galore for the people on the historic side? Just so he could get someone else to build a gate?
Get real, he wanted to hurt the businesses in that area, even made promises to do such in board rooms when thwarted on his new Brownwood hospital. Now the people of this area went to bat for all villagers in stopping the decline of service in the older areas of the villages. He does not care about the non sales side of his village. To him it just costs, as for outsiders using our amenities, yes they do now, especially since the watch stopped scanning at the pools. I haven’t brought my card to the pool in 3 years.
If he’d gotten away with this how long before the cart trail in Vail Verde to the driving range was closed? How long before those golf courses were closed or maintenance reduced? This is the path that developer you worship has been on in the historic side for the past few years.
Well done to the villagers that stood up and flashed Comrade Morse the bird on this one. Keep in mind the wall is still there and as much progress as seems to have been made he can still walk away from the table if the protests stop and he’s not hurt further.'

Wow: I will PM you too but I did not write this and I am very upset that someone would steal my identity. I never posted on the village news nor clicked on it.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Can anyone enlighten me as to how many residents there are at each of Stone Crest and Spruce Creek?

Thanks

According to this website, there are 2,200 homes in Stonecrest.

Stonecrest Summerfield FL - Stone Crest Florida

And according to this website, there ate 3250 homes in Spruce Creek.

http://www.sprucecreekonline.com/00Public/index.html

I wasn't aware that you could get to the Villages by golf cart from Spruce Creek. It seems a very long way.

[Regor]

All this bickering over 'outsiders' using our cart paths is just plain childish! What if every state said you can't drive your car on their roads because you live in another state? Do you think Disney World could survive? Could The Villages survive without outsiders? We already use Sumter County money to help pay for entertainment on 2 of the squares. I case you haven't noticed, Spanish Springs area seems to be dying from lack of people going there.

Traffic is horrible here in the villages! Every car that doesn't come here, gives more space for carts. I think the developer should make it easier for all the neighboring communities to have easy access to The Villages by golf cart. Doesn't really matter who pays for the cart paths.

[rubicon]

The golf cart paths are paid for by The Village residents. The multi-modal golf cart paths are experiencing heavy traffic flow of pedestrians, bikes, golf carts. If a gate is installed and people living outside The Villages which to travel by golf cart on these path ways then perhaps they ought to pay an annual fee for usage. I mean we do not ride for free.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by Regor

All this bickering over 'outsiders' using our cart paths is just plain childish! What if every state said you can't drive your car on their roads because you live in another state? Do you think Disney World could survive? Could The Villages survive without outsiders? We already use Sumter County money to help pay for entertainment on 2 of the squares. I case you haven't noticed, Spanish Springs area seems to be dying from lack of people going there.

Lack of people in Spanish Springs?? Are you kidding?