[EdV]

Originally Posted by oot

I understand the concern, but really they have a beautiful pool in Stonecrest already. Would you really want to drive that distance to go into our pools when you have one so close to home? They have their own clubhouse and golf course as well. We have even golfed over there and it was very nice.

Granted they may come to the town squares to shop or listen to the music but so can many others as they are public and anyone can drive there. Heck, before we bought our house we spent 4 years coming on vacation and did the same. We rented a cart and used the paths and stayed at the hotels. I don't think we were awful, but were checking to see if we wanted to move here. We looked at Stonecrest as well. In the end, we chose the villages because we had MANY golf courses to choose from, and Stonecrest only had one.

I guess I am saying there are many outsiders using "The Villages" in one way or another. You never know, one of those outsiders may become your neighbor someday!

So True oot

And you have to ask why there seems to be so much attention drawn to Stonecrest which has all of the amenities that TV has and yet little mention is made of the thousands of homeowners in other adjacent communities that have no recreational facilities at all.

Take that large residential area on the north side of Rt 42. No pools, no tennis or pick ball courts and so on.

Doesn’t it make more sense that any non-residents coming in and using TV amenities are likely to be from surrounding communities with no recreational facilities and not Stonecrest residents.

And those that are concerned that Stonecrest residents on carts may possibly cross over a short piece of amenity path remember that every TV resident that ever came over on a cart to play the Links of Stonecrest, was driving on roads paid for and maintained by Stonecrest residents.

Never the less, those that are focusing their attention on Stonecrest’s use of the cart path, are playing into the wall builders hands by diverting their attention away from the problem.

[tucson]

People from other communities cannot use TV's amenities such as pools, tennis,pickleball courts,etc. Only the restuarants,stores,squares,Champion GC's, etc,

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I'm not familiar with all of the facilities at Stonecrest nor the fees associated with them or restrictions on them. If have fee for play golf, then it might be attractive to them to slip over here after 7pm and get in some free golf. Is it possible that they have to pay an additional fee to use their pool. If so maybe they have figured out that they can use ours for free. We also have a hot tub at the South Side Pool and perhaps people are using that.

At any rate, this is all speculation and we don't know what the whole story is and may never know. I'm more concerned that the path is going to be open again.

No one from Stonecrest is using any of the Villages pools or Golf Courses unless they are paying greens fees. There is no additional fees in Stonecrest for the use of the pools, gym, or community centers. Golf is free if you are a member of the CC otherwise there is a cost to play golf witch includes a cart. There are many Villagers that Golf at Stonecrest because of the congestion on the Village Courses. Now you know the rest of the story.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

No one from Stonecrest is using any of the Villages pools or Golf Courses unless they are paying greens fees. There is no additional fees in Stonecrest for the use of the pools, gym, or community centers. Golf is free if you are a member of the CC otherwise there is a cost to play golf witch includes a cart. There are many Villagers that Golf at Stonecrest because of the congestion on the Village Courses. Now you know the rest of the story.

As well as the Del Webb golf courses, the Villagers are here everyday golfing, and a lot of them.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by oot

I understand the concern, but really they have a beautiful pool in Stonecrest already. Would you really want to drive that distance to go into our pools when you have one so close to home? They have their own clubhouse and golf course as well. We have even golfed over there and it was very nice.

Granted they may come to the town squares to shop or listen to the music but so can many others as they are public and anyone can drive there. Heck, before we bought our house we spent 4 years coming on vacation and did the same. We rented a cart and used the paths and stayed at the hotels. I don't think we were awful, but were checking to see if we wanted to move here. We looked at Stonecrest as well. In the end, we chose the villages because we had MANY golf courses to choose from, and Stonecrest only had one.

I guess I am saying there are many outsiders using "The Villages" in one way or another. You never know, one of those outsiders may become your neighbor someday!

Good morning, Oot! I think you could swing that door the other way and allow Villagers carts to come and go anytime in Stonecrest because anyone living or visiting The Villages might buy in there someday and we are their neighbors. No one would probably want to use their pool while they're there... and I'm talking access further than the restaurant or golf course.

As a Villager YOU are paying a premium because you have golf cart access to anything within The Villages owned property. Stonecrest does not pay that premium is more than welcome to come into the Squares in their street vehicles to shop and enjoy the entertainment, I believe Stonecresters are very nice people. Also take into consideration that soon Spruce Creek would have been able to use the same access. My friend, who lives in Spruce Creek, was looking forward to using that entrance and has made abundantly clear that she would never buy in The Villages, too expensive, (money is not an issue for her).

We have been reassured in these postings that only a couple of Stonecrest carts use this path so that impact should be very slight to that community but I already know one Spruce Creek resident excited about the highway crossing opening up so she could use The Villages cart paths.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Good morning, Oot! I think you could swing that door the other way and allow Villagers carts to come and go anytime in Stonecrest because anyone living or visiting The Villages might buy in there someday and we are their neighbors. No one would probably want to use their pool while they're there... and I'm talking access further than the restaurant or golf course.

As a Villager YOU are paying a premium because you have golf cart access to anything within The Villages owned property. Stonecrest does not pay that premium is more than welcome to come into the Squares in their street vehicles to shop and enjoy the entertainment, I believe Stonecresters are very nice people. Also take into consideration that soon Spruce Creek would have been able to use the same access. My friend, who lives in Spruce Creek, was looking forward to using that entrance and has made abundantly clear that she would never buy in The Villages, too expensive, (money is not an issue for her).

We have been reassured in these postings that only a couple of Stonecrest carts use this path so that impact should be very slight to that community but I already know one Spruce Creek resident excited about the highway crossing opening up so she could use The Villages cart paths.

Still a very small percentage at most. In the beginning there was more incentive to go to the shops at SS. However now with Wal-Mart, Lowes, Bells, Cracker Barrel, Sonic and soon access to the Mikiee dees and the Shops of Spruce Creek the incentive diminished. Outside Golf Carts are allowed in Stonecrest through the front gates. Although many people say they are headed to the restaurant or golf course there is no one traveling around checking who and where a golf cart originates.

[chuckinca]

For Info:

Villages residents often use Stonecrest facilities as both guests of Stonecrest residents and unauthorized use. Stonecrest has some facilities that the Villages do not; such as 8 lighted pickle ball courts, enclosed swimming pool and exercise facilities (all of which are at no additional fee to Stonecrest residents). Village residents have been know to use the Stonecrest golf courses, swimming pools, lighted pickle ball courts and exercise room after hours. The lighted pickle ball courts are reserved every Thursday night for use by expert players from other communities - mainly the Villages.

Stonecrest and other tri-county residents can not be guests and use villages facilities other than what is open to the general the public.

I have two brothers and sisters in law, an aunt and uncle and many friends who are villages residents and can not be their guest at a village pool, exec golf course, or other resident only facility. Stonecrest doesn't have resident only facilities.

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[PennBF]

I for one apologizes to the Developer if he agrees to take the wall down and put in a "control gate". If he put the wall up because the new Assisted Living Center was lined up to use the streets and carts of the north side of the villages (Orange Blossom,etc.) across from 441/27 along with the other communities outside of The Villages using them then I for one totally support him. Why should the north end be saddled with outside traffic. The roads, paths etc were not built to support that load. I don't want to hear why not open up that part of TV's to all anymore than I would expect the residents of the various villages would welcome heavy traffic in their community. Believe me, using the pools as an example would be abused. We already get outsiders in the pool who don't pay for the upkeep, etc.
I believe a gate that requires an "opener" to open the gate is both appropriate and the right thing. Think how smart the builders of the Assisted Living were. They built a cart path and made everyone think it was for The Villagers. Oops' not so it was for them to have open usage of the Orange Blossom Villages and Village residency without paying the freight.
The only thing that I would seriously fault the Developer for was his lack of good PR people. He has to have the worse PR staff in the country..

[tucson]

Good article posted on Facebook...

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by tucson

People from other communities cannot use TV's amenities such as pools, tennis,pickleball courts,etc. Only the restuarants,stores,squares,Champion GC's, etc,

those would be the honest folks! there are others who believe that rules were not made to be folllowed by them!

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I for one apologizes to the Developer if he agrees to take the wall down and put in a "control gate". If he put the wall up because the new Assisted Living Center was lined up to use the streets and carts of the north side of the villages (Orange Blossom,etc.) across from 441/27 along with the other communities outside of The Villages using them then I for one totally support him. Why should the north end be saddled with outside traffic. The roads, paths etc were not built to support that load. I don't want to hear why not open up that part of TV's to all anymore than I would expect the residents of the various villages would welcome heavy traffic in their community. Believe me, using the pools as an example would be abused. We already get outsiders in the pool who don't pay for the upkeep, etc.
I believe a gate that requires an "opener" to open the gate is both appropriate and the right thing. Think how smart the builders of the Assisted Living were. They built a cart path and made everyone think it was for The Villagers. Oops' not so it was for them to have open usage of the Orange Blossom Villages and Village residency without paying the freight.
The only thing that I would seriously fault the Developer for was his lack of good PR people. He has to have the worse PR staff in the country..

Very thoughtful, nice post Penn!

[graciegirl]

Bless your heart Penn.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Good morning, Oot! I think you could swing that door the other way and allow Villagers carts to come and go anytime in Stonecrest because anyone living or visiting The Villages might buy in there someday and we are their neighbors. No one would probably want to use their pool while they're there... and I'm talking access further than the restaurant or golf course.

As a Villager YOU are paying a premium because you have golf cart access to anything within The Villages owned property. Stonecrest does not pay that premium is more than welcome to come into the Squares in their street vehicles to shop and enjoy the entertainment, I believe Stonecresters are very nice people. Also take into consideration that soon Spruce Creek would have been able to use the same access. My friend, who lives in Spruce Creek, was looking forward to using that entrance and has made abundantly clear that she would never buy in The Villages, too expensive, (money is not an issue for her).

We have been reassured in these postings that only a couple of Stonecrest carts use this path so that impact should be very slight to that community but I already know one Spruce Creek resident excited about the highway crossing opening up so she could use The Villages cart paths.

Rest assured Peachie. There are far fewer Spruce Creek residents interested
in getting to SS stores and beyond, than you think there are.
Besides Spruce Creek has several other direct access points to TV property, that have no gates...

[oot]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Good morning, Oot! I think you could swing that door the other way and allow Villagers carts to come and go anytime in Stonecrest because anyone living or visiting The Villages might buy in there someday and we are their neighbors. No one would probably want to use their pool while they're there... and I'm talking access further than the restaurant or golf course.

As a Villager YOU are paying a premium because you have golf cart access to anything within The Villages owned property. Stonecrest does not pay that premium is more than welcome to come into the Squares in their street vehicles to shop and enjoy the entertainment, I believe Stonecresters are very nice people. Also take into consideration that soon Spruce Creek would have been able to use the same access. My friend, who lives in Spruce Creek, was looking forward to using that entrance and has made abundantly clear that she would never buy in The Villages, too expensive, (money is not an issue for her).

We have been reassured in these postings that only a couple of Stonecrest carts use this path so that impact should be very slight to that community but I already know one Spruce Creek resident excited about the highway crossing opening up so she could use The Villages cart paths.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but this Stonecrest thing has always bothered me overall. I understand I pay more to live in the Villages. I have access to a ton a clubs, many golf courses, many places I play various sports - more things than I can mention on how wonderful this place is. I also understand the fees we pay fund the paths.

I can go to Stonecrest anytime I like, just as they can come to the Villages just as they like. I have played their golf course, and ate at their restaurant, as they can on our side if they pay for golf. They don't get it for free.

If a visitor rents a cart should they be prohibited from riding the paths? Should we restrict the hotels from allowing people from parking in the lots for fear they may use a trail? Maybe ban the folk who rent the carts? Do you really think a cart riding down the path is going to cause such wear and tear that our fees are going to skyrocket?

There are people in Stonecrest, just as we have people here, which used that path. It has been that way for years and years. The wall is the real issue and it should never have been installed in the manner it was. I still feel the Stonecrest issue was never the reason for the wall to begin with.

[chuckinca]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Good morning, Oot! I think you could swing that door the other way and allow Villagers carts to come and go anytime in Stonecrest because anyone living or visiting The Villages might buy in there someday and we are their neighbors. No one would probably want to use their pool while they're there... and I'm talking access further than the restaurant or golf course.

Villagers in carts can also to be used to visit Stonecrest residents - best to ask your friend to call the gate so you can get a pass. All Stonecrest residents were issued guest passes to give to their guests so that they can use all Stonecrest facilities with the resident.

Stonecrest residents can not be guests in the Villages.

Villagers in carts can visit the home builder, Armstrong Homes, and get a guided tour.

Villagers in carts can make arrangements the realitors to visit homes for sale.

Villagers in carts can not be given unlimited access to Stonecrest - it's a gated community with private roads.

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