[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by New Englander

There HAS to be a stud behind EVERY seem! The installers were incompetent or just didn't care.

The drywallers can’t nail onto a stud that isn’t there. Blame the General Contractor and or the framers and or the architect. Bottom line, the GC is at fault.


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[manaboutown]

So, the fastest build is not the best build?

[rustyp]

Keep reporting these cracks to the POA. I'll bet they are in the data collection mode. It will be interesting to see if they are collecting the data by house location, year built, model, etc. The wrong answer is this is to be expected because of being exposed to outdoors. A cold day here is in the high 20's. For years I have closed my house up north with no heat (drain pipes) and temps reach minus 30 and only had one hairline crack. That was due to over five feet of snow on the roof.

[HiHoSteveO]

The March 2018 POA Bulletin found on driveways today contains an extensive report on this.

http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_file...etin201803.pdf

Not good news for those with the problem.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by HiHoSteveO

The March 2018 POA Bulletin found on driveways today contains an extensive report on this.

http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_file...etin201803.pdf

Not good news for those with the problem.

Interesting article - thanks for sharing.Were any of you new home purchasers offered the option of having insulation in the garage or lanai. Did the houses built before 2009 come with insulation standard ? Those of you that enclosed your lanai did the contractor insulate that area ? I would like to know what the developer plans to do with future homes. Will these areas be insulated and joints upgraded. That brings us back to the quality conversation. Meeting code is a requirement. Doesn't make you a good guy. It must be done. Thank goodness the codes here in Florida are pretty good. But there is a difference between code and quality.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Thank goodness the codes here in Florida are pretty good. But there is a difference between code and quality.

Sometimes a huge difference...

[rustyp]

For those who have not read the ceiling crack article a couple points of interest the POA calls out:
1 more than 1000 homeowners contacted them saying they have the problem
2 30 out of 50 homes in Lake Deaton have reported the problem
Can you imagine how big this problem really is ! Should not be swept under the rug - not ethical.

[villagetinker]

We had our home built, almost 5 years ago, I do not recall any discussion about additional insulation in the garage or lanai. After reading the POA article I am guessing that we (home owners) will not be getting any repairs on these cracks. I am going to attempt my own repair with a flexible and paintable caulk or similar material. My hope is that this material will stretch and shrink enough to not crack. No idea if this will work, but I will also do some additional research for other ideas.

[New Englander]

It doesn't matter if there is insulation or not. Drywall that is installed in a way that there is not a stud behind every seam is installed improperly. The cost of the repairs should not fall on the home owner.

[jchase]

New Englander is right! The Villages knows what the problem is. Will they fix it, who knows.

[tagjr1]

I had a crack in my kitchen ceiling that Warranty sent out 3 different guys to repair, and each one said "no problem, I'll fix this so it looks like nothing ever happened"! HA! IT GOT WORSE AND WORSE. Finally I convinced the builder to pay for a beam to run the full length of the kitchen and it looks spectacular. Why the beam? The only way to properly fix the ceiling would involve moving out for 3 days and stripping the ceiling in the kitchen, great room and dining area! What a mess that would have been.

[CFrance]

This question is actually for Frank DeAngelo and the like, because I really don't know the answer... Why don't the home inspectors who people hire (before the one-year mark of buying a new house) catch this problem? Surely they go up in the attic... can they see there's not enough support there for the garage ceilings?

[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by CFrance

This question is actually for Frank DeAngelo and the like, because I really don't know the answer... Why don't the home inspectors who people hire (before the one-year mark of buying a new house) catch this problem? Surely they go up in the attic... can they see there's not enough support there for the garage ceilings?

New home inspectors won’t rock the Warranty Dept. boat. They need to maintain a good relationship with them.


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[HiHoSteveO]

Originally Posted by CFrance

This question is actually for Frank DeAngelo and the like, because I really don't know the answer... Why don't the home inspectors who people hire (before the one-year mark of buying a new house) catch this problem? Surely they go up in the attic... can they see there's not enough support there for the garage ceilings?

Before Frank DeAngelo responds to this... He was my 1 year home inspector. It was he who also saw and turned in the cracking problems to home warranty for repair. A few days later the cracks were all repaired. Weeks or months later, they were all back. -After warranty expiration. That is the problem.

I'd like to fix them again, but why, if they'll just be back?

If the house was built to code, then there must be something wrong with the code. This should not be happening to all these new homes.

He was in the attic over the garage but you can't see much of it from above because of low and angled trusses making it inaccessible. Also builder installed plywood on the floor.

Regarding the lanai, there is no way to see up there without cutting a big hole from below or flattening the attic insulation while crawling through. He could see from down below that the ceilings were cracked.

As to insulation, which is being suggested in the POA Bulletin. Sure, it should reduce expansion and contraction. I agree with that. Frank and I talked quite a bit about that. He could not justify my spending money to insulate a non-conditioned space. I didn't, but might have to consider that.

So the home inspector did find the problems and turned them in along with a full report to me. I think he did his job in reporting problems.

[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by HiHoSteveO

Before Frank DeAngelo responds to this... He was my 1 year home inspector. It was he who also saw and turned in the cracking problems to home warranty for repair. A few days later the cracks were all repaired. Weeks or months later, they were all back. -After warranty expiration. That is the problem.

I'd like to fix them again, but why, if they'll just be back?

If the house was built to code, then there must be something wrong with the code. This should not be happening to all these new homes.

He was in the attic over the garage but you can't see much of it from above because of low and angled trusses making it inaccessible. Also builder installed plywood on the floor.

Regarding the lanai, there is no way to see up there without cutting a big hole from below or flattening the attic insulation while crawling through. He could see from down below that the ceilings were cracked.

As to insulation, which is being suggested in the POA Bulletin. Sure, it should reduce expansion and contraction. I agree with that. Frank and I talked quite a bit about that. He could not justify my spending money to insulate a non-conditioned space. I didn't, but might have to consider that.

So the home inspector did find the problems and turned them in along with a full report to me. I think he did his job in reporting problems.

Yes, he reported the cracked drywall seams but it’s the cause that is the issue.


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