[joseppe]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I am of the opinion that sooner or later a walker is going to get killed or seriously injured walking on the "multi modal" paths. When that happens I wouldn't be surprised to see the victim or their family sue the Villages for encouraging people to walk on these paths. I'm all for personal responsibility but they way lawyers and courts view things like this I believe that the developer have left themselves in a precarious position.

People walk on these paths all the time because they have a right to. IMHO, you are taking your life in your hands by exercising your right. There are several blind corners and the brakes on golf carts are not all that great. They are not meant to stop a cart going 20+mph. With all of the places to walk, why would someone choose to walk where 600 pound vehicles with bad brakes and elderly drivers are zipping along at 20+MPH?


The Villages should call these "Golf Cart Paths" and either strongly suggest that people not walk on them or ban walking on them all together.

I agree that Walkers on Multi-Modal paths are in danger. The path through Marsh Bend and Deluna starting at Everglades Rec center is full of Walkers and bicycles. Some days driving that path in a Golf Cart is very frustrating. Two carts CANNOT fit when there are bicycles and walkers preset. Someone has to give way to the other side. I have had walkers virtually walk right into the path of my golf cart. When the Water Lily bridge over the Turnpike opens this path will be full of golf cart traffic and there will be problems.

[kendi]

Originally Posted by jacksonbrown

Watching the latest of Don's videos, I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to all

As a walker / runner / cyclist, with many years sharing space with carts and cars, here is my take.

On a flat roadway / sidewalk

1. Walkers travel at 2 to 5 mph.
2. Runners travel at 6 to 10 mph
3. Cyclists travel at 8 to 18 mph
4. Carts travel at 20+ mph

So what happens at the top of the grade when the four groups merge together to travel across the bridge?

Answer, the walkers walk at 5 mph, the runners run at 8 mph, the cyclists cycle at 14 mph and all the carts line up behind them, even though the cart drivers are used to traveling 20 mph.

Hopefully, all the cart drivers will be abundantly patient and slow to 5 mph. The carts will not attempt to pass the walkers / runners / cyclists. Yeah right!

Can you say Morgan and Morgan?

Why don't you ask them what they were thinking rather than complaining to us.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by 8notes

I suspect when these "multi-modal" paths were first created, golf carts were only going about 13 mph. Now, of course, we have higher speed golf carts, and the difference in speeds of the pedestrians, cyclists and golf carts is larger, and more dangerous. I really think they need separate walking trails. Of course, that would cost more money to build.

I suspect when the golf cart paths was built the were golf cart paths. I walk paths often and have no problems? Why? Cause at first sign of any congestion I step way off the path, thus taking myself out of any danger.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by joseppe

I agree that Walkers on Multi-Modal paths are in danger. The path through Marsh Bend and Deluna starting at Everglades Rec center is full of Walkers and bicycles. Some days driving that path in a Golf Cart is very frustrating. Two carts CANNOT fit when there are bicycles and walkers preset. Someone has to give way to the other side. I have had walkers virtually walk right into the path of my golf cart. When the Water Lily bridge over the Turnpike opens this path will be full of golf cart traffic and there will be problems.

They put themselves danger? Just step out of the way. Not that hard. The problem when you get couple yaking and not paying attention. They are the ones in danger.

[Bogie Shooter]

Been here almost 20 years. I do not recall an instance of a walker being hit by a golf cart. Somebody must be doing thing right.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Been here almost 20 years. I do not recall an instance of a walker being hit by a golf cart. Somebody must be doing thing right.

There have been many instances.
One was Joan Colonna who died from her injuries 12/30/2018.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by 8notes

Its dangerous to have carts, bikes and pedestrians who all travel at different speeds, sharing the same space.

That's why God invented eyes to look around and brakes to slow down carts and bikes when those damned selfish people are sharing the MULTI-MODAL paths (they are NOT GOLF CART paths). That's also why God created DAN NEWLIN. He was planning ahead.

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

There have been many instances.
One was Joan Colonna who died from her injuries 12/30/2018.

That did not happen on an MMP. She was walking in the diamond lane on Sunset Blvd.

I also can not remember a walker being struck on an MMP. Let alone many. I can remember at least on bike rider.

[NoMoSno]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

That did not happen on an MMP. She was walking in the diamond lane on Sunset Blvd.

I also can not remember a walker being struck on an MMP. Let alone many. I can remember at least on bike rider.

Diamond lanes are considered multi-use lanes.
From the sheriff:
"Within the Town of Lady Lake, Avenida Central, Del Mar Drive, Rio Grand Avenue and Chula Vista Avenue all have side lanes with the diamond painted on them. These are designated as PED or pedestrian lanes. It is a common misunderstanding that these lanes are dedicated for golf cart use only. These are considered “Shared-Use” lanes since pedestrians, bicycles and golf carts may utilize them."
https://www.(villages)-news.com/2018...or-golf-carts/

[mgkw1]

The lower section ????? Only the 2 NEWEST villages are connected. The rest are still the rotten stepchildren

[golf2140]

Someone had mentioned that the walkway could be for bike riders to walk their bike up since it's such a sharp incline.

[b0bd0herty]

So much for The Villages much touted "accessibility" for those South of 44 eh?

[birdiebill]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I am of the opinion that sooner or later a walker is going to get killed or seriously injured walking on the "multi modal" paths. When that happens I wouldn't be surprised to see the victim or their family sue the Villages for encouraging people to walk on these paths. I'm all for personal responsibility but they way lawyers and courts view things like this I believe that the developer have left themselves in a precarious position.

People walk on these paths all the time because they have a right to. IMHO, you are taking your life in your hands by exercising your right. There are several blind corners and the brakes on golf carts are not all that great. They are not meant to stop a cart going 20+mph. With all of the places to walk, why would someone choose to walk where 600 pound vehicles with bad brakes and elderly drivers are zipping along at 20+MPH?


The Villages should call these "Golf Cart Paths" and either strongly suggest that people not walk on them or ban walking on them all together.

I suspect if a golf cart driver runs into a pedestrian on the MULTI MODAL PATH the golf cart driver will be declared at fault. Just because a cart can go 20 mph or faster does not mean it is appropriate to always drive that fast. If I am driving my cart and come to a curve with limited visibility, I slow down. If I am driving early morning or late evening with limited visibility, I slow down to whatever speed makes visibility safe. If I meet pedestrians in the split part of the MMP, I slow down even though most will step off the path. While driving my cart, if I come up behind a bicyclist on the split portion of the MMP, I slow down and follow him until the path opens back up. No need to hurry and risk injuring someone.

Pedestrians who do not carry some type of illumination in the dark are taking on risk also.

The MMP's are for all forms of transportation from carts, to scooters, to roller blades, to bicycles, to Segways. We all have an obligation to share the MMP and to proceed safely.

[jarodrig]

Originally Posted by b0bd0herty

So much for The Villages much touted "accessibility" for those South of 44 eh?

There will be..... they didn’t “Promise” when ,.,,,,,,,

In fact, they didn’t promise ANYTHING !!!! Any dates given to you were nothing but “estimates” as to when things would be done.....

GoldWingNut just proved what I say when he offered $10,000 to anyone who could provide “proof” , in writing, that their amenity fees would not go up !!

Same applies to anything else ! The Developer did not “promise” anyone that there would be connectivity on XYZ date !!

Get over it, people !!

[CoachKandSportsguy]

let time i checked, pedestrians had the right of way from any motorized vehicle, so stop whining and slow down.