[tedquick]

Originally Posted by Rango

Open carry may be legal, but don’t I think it’s a good strategy

Why?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by tedquick

Why?

Easier target for bad guys. Bank robbers, for instance, would take the guards out of the equation as quickly as possible but perhaps miss the person with a concealed carry weapon.

[MrFlorida]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I wonder if that is true. A criminal is a former law abiding citizen who made a bad choice. How many of the recent shootings that hit the headlines were carried out by someone who was a law abiding citizen the day before the shooting? How many were in legal possession of the weapons they used right up until they began their attack?

It's easy to say that criminals should not have guns, though your Colony example shows it is difficult to put into practice. It's not so easy to pick tomorrow's criminal out of today's law abiding citizen. We can (try to) close the barn door after the horses have gotten out but we're not really good at that, it doesn't solve the problem, and it does nothing for the victims.

So your solution is to ban everyone's rights, for what may happen...why not ban cars because someone may drink and drive. Same logic.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

So your solution is to ban everyone's rights, for what may happen...why not ban cars because someone may drink and drive. Same logic.

Cars are not designed to cause damage, guns are.
Cars need to be registered, guns largely do not.
Car drivers need to be tested and licensed, gun owners do not.
It is rare that a car is misused to injure multiple people, it is all too common with guns.

Perhaps if guns were more well-regulated with registration, mandatory training, and licensing things might change.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Cars are not designed to cause damage, guns are.
Cars need to be registered, guns largely do not.
Car drivers need to be tested and licensed, gun owners do not.
It is rare that a car is misused to injure multiple people, it is all too common with guns.

Perhaps if guns were more well-regulated with registration, mandatory training, and licensing things might change.

There are a very high number of guns I expect that were not registered because they were passed down from various family members. I got a lot of mine which were in my house from my older brother who never really liked firearms. I sold most of those to get letters to various victim/witness providers to see what they would like to see in their local libraries to empower survivors/victims of crimes. Seemed very ironic to me though. Part of my 224 613 Project. Numbers I have used since late 1992. They kind of can gauge how I am doing.

And I expect many of these victim/survivors were created by weapons used in domestic abuse cases.

[Wing-nut2]

Yes they do. The Villages gun club has meetings at the rec centers and even cleaning seminars. Attendance is limited to 25 - 35 club members,, We get together at the rec center and clean our firearms. I've been a NRA Instructor for over 40 years. I have certified several thousand villagers to carry a firearm of some type of weapon. A CWFL (concealed weapon and firearms license) you can carry a firearm or weapon. At night, every bar on the squares has people carrying firearms. Unless there is a sign or the owner/manager asks you to take your firearm outside and put it in your car, you're golden.

After all that, I'm not a big open carry guy. I think being able to carry concealed is just fine. And I do most of the time. What I do like, it takes away the chance someone will see my firearm and call the police.

Several County Sheriffs have posted videos giving advice on open carry and that they have told their officers not to interfere. It's the law. I hav even seen a villages real estate person with a firearm on. It was covered, but he still carried. If you think there are no guns in The Villages, you're wrong.


Just a note, there is no registration of firearms in Florida. In fact, it is against Florida law to keep a list of firearms and/or their owners.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Wing-nut2

Yes they do. The Villages gun club has meetings at the rec centers and even cleaning seminars. Attendance is limited to 25 - 35 club members,, We get together at the rec center and clean our firearms. I've been a NRA Instructor for over 40 years. I have certified several thousand villagers to carry a firearm of some type of weapon. A CWFL (concealed weapon and firearms license) you can carry a firearm or weapon. At night, every bar on the squares has people carrying firearms. Unless there is a sign or the owner/manager asks you to take your firearm outside and put it in your car, you're golden.

After all that, I'm not a big open carry guy. I think being able to carry concealed is just fine. And I do most of the time. What I do like, it takes away the chance someone will see my firearm and call the police.

Several County Sheriffs have posted videos giving advice on open carry and that they have told their officers not to interfere. It's the law. I hav even seen a villages real estate person with a firearm on. It was covered, but he still carried. If you think there are no guns in The Villages, you're wrong.


Just a note, there is no registration of firearms in Florida. In fact, it is against Florida law to keep a list of firearms and/or their owners.

I think you meant to say restaurant since Florida statutes prohibit carrying a weapon into a bar. (though maybe by definition we do not have bars in the squares)

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I think you meant to say restaurant since Florida statutes prohibit carrying a weapon into a bar.

At Bonefish Grill, for instance, you are a few feet from the bar when you enter but then they will take you to the dining area.

Where you can drink until drunk, I assume, if that is your desire.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

At Bonefish Grill, for instance, you are a few feet from the bar when you enter but then they will take you to the dining area.

Where you can drink until drunk, I assume, if that is your desire.

Yeah, I modified my post a little. It could be that by the definition of bar and restaurant we don't have bars in the squares.

[MrFlorida]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Cars are not designed to cause damage, guns are.
Cars need to be registered, guns largely do not.
Car drivers need to be tested and licensed, gun owners do not.
It is rare that a car is misused to injure multiple people, it is all too common with guns.

Perhaps if guns were more well-regulated with registration, mandatory training, and licensing things might change.

Google the stats where people are killed by drunk drivers, the results may shock you .

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

So your solution is to ban everyone's rights, for what may happen...why not ban cars because someone may drink and drive. Same logic.

Not the same logic. Not even close.just deflection.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

Google the stats where people are killed by drunk drivers, the results may shock you .

Accidental shootings happen as well.

A car used as it is supposed to be used will not cause injuries. A car can malfunction and a car can be used improperly but it is not designed to cause injuries. Because of the potential damage cars may cause if not used properly we require registration, training, and licensing. Even that doesn't solve the problem entirely but I would hate to see what would happen without it.

Firearms are designed to cause damage, injury, or death. Used legally, they cause damage to targets or property and they cause death to non-human animals. Used improperly or illegally they cause injury or death to persons but they are still being used as designed. In spite of the damage guns may cause if used exactly the way they were designed to be used, some (most?) states do not require registration, training, or licensing.

We can argue over statistics but just in absolute numbers, gun deaths exceed car deaths. I wonder what would happen to those numbers if we required proof of training and registration for purchases.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

At Bonefish Grill, for instance, you are a few feet from the bar when you enter but then they will take you to the dining area.

Where you can drink until drunk, I assume, if that is your desire.

Just like most drivers are responsible, and most homeowners are responsible, and most employed people are responsible, most gun owners are responsible also.

Responsible gun owners have usually taken into consideration the enormous amount of personal liability and legal exposure (both civil and criminal) one incurs having a firearm on one's person while simultaneously indulging in alcoholic beverages.

Most realize that a civil or prosecuting attorney will tear you apart even if your lawful engagement with a weapon goes absolutely text book - even a sip of beer will be argued to influence judgement.

*Most* responsible gun owners are smart enough to leave it at home or in the trunk when drinking in public.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

Google the stats where people are killed by drunk drivers, the results may shock you .

Mothers Against Drunk Driving M.A.D.D. have played a critical role in my 224 613 Project. Especially in the 1990s. MADD: Mothers Against Drunk Driving 45th Celebration


And there are cases that in which murderers use various vehicles as weapons. Mentally Ill Woman Dies After 20 Years on Nevada's Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center


Priscilla Ford - Wikipedia. One of the earlier of these cases was in Reno on Thanksgiving Day in 1980.

[Wing-nut2]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I think you meant to say restaurant since Florida statutes prohibit carrying a weapon into a bar. (though maybe by definition we do not have bars in the squares)

I have seen guns in City Fire and several other bars. Yes it is against the law. The law is not in the bar so they get away with it. By the way, you can still drink and carry a gun, but not in the dedicated bar area. The dining room is OK.

It will be interesting. Fore example you can't go to the Post Office Otha gun, period. you also can't park in the parking lot of that post office. The post office in wildwood is in a large shopping center, you , by law, can not park anywhere in that parking lot because the way the shopping center wrote the rules, the parking lot belongs to ALL the tenants. That means you can't park there if you're carrying a firearm because of the post office.