[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Like walking into a crowded restaurant with a gun on your hip? Scare people into getting a table faster?

Seriously? How would my Glock 48 exposed on my hip scare the restaurant into getting people a table faster?

Doing something stupid is doing something with criminal intent. That’s what we, people that will open carry, want to prevent.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Seriously? How would my Glock 48 exposed on my hip scare the restaurant into getting people a table faster?

Doing something stupid is doing something with criminal intent. That’s what we, people that will open carry, want to prevent.

I doubt if any restaurant staff wants some wanna- be Rambo waiting for a table for a long time.


I find the whole idea of open carry as an idiotic approach to curbing crimes.


And the exact opposite of common sense.


Would you want to be standing next to an obviously pistol- packing Momma or a woman with a hidden gun when a criminal comes into rob the restaurant with his gun drawn?
He/she would probably notice the pistol -packing Momma first.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

You would probably find that most of the school and other shootings used guns owned by them or one of their family members.


There are stolen guns used in crimes but these are probably connected with the drug trade and other illegal activities like gambling, prostitution, etc.

An awful lot of speculation you got goin' on there...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I remember hearing about a few different mass shootings, when more than one person in the crowd was carrying a gun, but NONE of them shot back. For that reason - I am of the opinion that all these folks claiming to demand the right to protect themselves from a shooter - are posturing. They WANT to believe that they'd shoot the assailant. But chances are, they won't. And if they do shoot, and miss, guess who ends up shooting them instead?

Then there's the possibility that someone turns the corner JUST as a defender is firing against the original shooter. And that corner-turner person sees the defender doing the shooting, and shoots THEM thinking they're saving the day.

You couldn't pay me to possess a firearm. If I thought otherwise, I would've gone into law enforcement instead of retail.

I'm glad you'll never carry as you haven't a clue as to what people who do carry think. Your made up scenarios are pure fantasy...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Seriously? How would my Glock 48 exposed on my hip scare the restaurant into getting people a table faster?

Doing something stupid is doing something with criminal intent. That’s what we, people that will open carry, want to prevent.

Get real. People who want open carry may or may not realize that having a loaded and ready for action is passive/agressive] intimidation. You will get looks and make many folks, especially those with families, very uncomfortable and you know it. Makes sense that those looking for a pleasant meal will hurry or pack there food to go. You would be advertising the possibility and increased probability of violence and drama. If I walked in with my family and saw someone with a gun on their hip, I would take the family elsewhere.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Maybe not in the Villages but criminals market themselves often on their desire to do harm to others. Especially to members of other gangs.

And they don't typically open carry. They may brandish their firearm, but they don't advertise the fact on a regular basis.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Did the report you read include the following conclusions?

- There is supportive evidence that shall-issue concealed-carry laws may increase total homicides, firearm homicides, and violent crime. Evidence for the effects of permitless-carry laws on total homicides is inconclusive.

- the existing literature provides supportive evidence that shall-issue laws increase firearm homicides.

- there is supportive evidence that shall-issue laws increase violent crime.

That permitless-carry was found to have no supportive evidence is interesting. Perhaps looking at the crime statistics of the areas prior to choosing the two different approaches would help explain the difference.

At least you included the "may" and "inconclusive" in your cherry-picked quotes...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by forebubba

Wait for a couple of over served angry people get into at the square

Projection...

Have any "over served angry people" who were concealed carrying "gotten into it at the squares"?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Mrprez

It’s illegal to carry a gun into a place serving alcohol. Concealed or open carry.

Partially true. You cannot carry (open or concealed) into a bar, but you CAN carry into a restaurant that serves alcohol...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

According to the paper, what those states have in common is an increase in violent crime AFTER shall-issue became law.

Take a population with a high crime rate then make it easier to get a gun and crime increase. Who would have guessed?

Take a population that has such a low crime rate that permitless-carry doesn’t seem like a ridiculous idea and crime does not increase. A little surprising yet…

Definitely needs more study but there might be a pattern.

"Shall Issue" doesn't make it any easier to get a gun...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

At least you included the "may" and "inconclusive" in your cherry-picked quotes...

Then you did not read the study. Otherwise you would recognize those “cherry-picked quotes” as the overall conclusion of the study and the separate conclusions from those two topics. Short of pasting the entire study (and a link had been provided) that felt like the best that could be done.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

Daniel Perry comes to mind...

And look what happened to him...

My wife once asked me what I would do if someone started shooting. I told her "I'd grab her and get the hell out of there".

When she asked if I would try to stop the shooter, I replied "I'm not trying to be John Wayne. I'm only trying to protect me and mine. If I can't escape (the first thing you're taught to try to do), THEN, I'll shoot back...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Murder of Garrett Foster - Wikipedia


That is a real mess as far as any indication of a justice system that works. And the complete absence of common sense.

The fact that Wiki calls it "Murder" is troubling...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

"Shall Issue" doesn't make it any easier to get a gun...

I’m not sure that’s true but let’s say it is. I’ll change my statement to shall-issue makes it easier to carry a gun, more likely that a gun will be carried, and less likely an illegal gun will be identified and taken off the street. Add that to a population with a high crime rate already and crime increases. Who would have guessed?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

There have been incidents in which a gun carrier goes off the deep end. I am not talking about school and other type of culprits but just someone who snaps. Killing of Chad Oulson - Wikipedia

While tragic, what does that have to do with the topic at hand?