[gerryann]

Originally Posted by vj1213

I have to agree this is not about dog poop. That topic has been beaten to death. I often take my dog to the Tamarind Grove area too on our walks. After we walked today I was approached by Community Watch, he said this is not a dog park, I said excuse me, he said this is private property and you can't have a dog here. I simply said well my dog is on his leash, here is his poop in my little bag, and I do believe this is Villages property not private property. I said I don't understand how TV being taunted as pet friendly will allow me to walk my dog on any town square or inside any of the sales centers (we actually have dog treats in the sales centers to give to dogs who come in) and you say this is the only private property where dogs aren't allowed.
I must say there were a few very hot tempered dog walkers there who got very argumentative.
I came home and called the district office (was told they knew nothing) they passed me on to community watch who passed me to their supervisor, who passed me to their supervisor and no one could tell me anything. All I got from the last lady was..give me your # and we will have someone who is aware of the situation call you back. Haven't heard back.
I will just say, whether it be dogs or any other countless rules, there will always be those who don't believe rules apply to them or choose only to follow a select few. I don't think dogs should be hanging around the postal stations themselves, but in the grassy areas that surround them, I don't see a problem. Just gives some people something else to complain about.

Great post. I look forward to hearing what they say when they call back.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by vj1213

I have to agree this is not about dog poop. That topic has been beaten to death. I often take my dog to the Tamarind Grove area too on our walks. After we walked today I was approached by Community Watch, he said this is not a dog park, I said excuse me, he said this is private property and you can't have a dog here. I simply said well my dog is on his leash, here is his poop in my little bag, and I do believe this is Villages property not private property. I said I don't understand how TV being taunted as pet friendly will allow me to walk my dog on any town square or inside any of the sales centers (we actually have dog treats in the sales centers to give to dogs who come in) and you say this is the only private property where dogs aren't allowed.
I must say there were a few very hot tempered dog walkers there who got very argumentative.
I came home and called the district office (was told they knew nothing) they passed me on to community watch who passed me to their supervisor, who passed me to their supervisor and no one could tell me anything. All I got from the last lady was..give me your # and we will have someone who is aware of the situation call you back. Haven't heard back.
I will just say, whether it be dogs or any other countless rules, there will always be those who don't believe rules apply to them or choose only to follow a select few. I don't think dogs should be hanging around the postal stations themselves, but in the grassy areas that surround them, I don't see a problem. Just gives some people something else to complain about.

It also gives some people something else to purposely miss the point about, so they can minimize and ridicule a valid complaint in need of solutions.

"Dog waste is more than just a cosmetic issue. Stepping in it is no longer comical. Forty-nine percent of Americans own a dog. BioPet Vet Lab, an animal DNA testing laboratory in Knoxville, Tenn., estimates that 38 percent of dog owners don't clean up after their pets. BioPet's research shows that 73 million dogs pile up 6.3 billion pounds of waste annually. Shamefully, 40 percent, or 2.5 billion pounds, is never picked up by owners.

No surprise then that Consumer Reports said dog waste ranked No. 6 on the list of America's Top Gripes in 2010, or that the Environmental Protection Agency lists pet waste as one of its top water-pollution concerns.

Some pet owners feel that authorities are picking a bone with them by passing intrusive pet regulations. But association boards, neighbors, homeowners, community leaders and environmentalists bark at each other in civic dialogue about this problem.

According to BioPet, "E. coli bacteria from dog droppings has been identified as a significant pollutant to our parks, rivers and regional watersheds." A medium-size dog has twice the environmental impact on the earth as driving a luxury SUV 10,000 miles, CNN has reported.

The EPA places dog waste in the same health category as oil and toxic chemicals. EPA researchers are tracking how unclaimed dog waste washes from green spaces to storm drains and then into our waterways.

The Sarasota Bay Estuary Program notes, "An average-size dog dropping produces 3 billion fecal coliform bacteria."

The estuary program's website also points out: "Pet waste is a significant source of fecal coliform bacteria entering Sarasota Bay."

Approximately 26 tons of pet waste is deposited on the ground in Sarasota and Manatee counties every day, the site notes. "Dog poop does not stay on the grass but gets washed down the storm drains and delivered untreated to the closest waterway during rain events."

That's why the Sarasota Bay estuary program has joined the effort to safeguard public health and keep our waters clean. The program has teamed with the Tampa Bay Estuary Program to offer the "Pooches for the Planet" pet-waste pollution education program (www.sarasotabay.org).........."

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...te=printpicart

[LndLocked]

Every time I read one of these threads which 96.785% of the time are centered between 466 & 466A .... I am glad I live in the relatively peaceful and drama free northern hinterlands.

[vj1213]

As I previously stated my opinion is that this isn't about dog poop. First, I would never ridicule anyone for their opinions. Your facts may very well be valid, but I for one do think I have a better chance of getting sick from the pesticides on the lawns and them getting into my water system.
This topic dealt with community watch and the statement that this one area is private property. I simply stated my opinion and I will stand by it.

[D&Lsunfun]

AMEN,
you get it!!
one dog urinates and a dozen follow.
for the owners that walk their dogs early and late in the day, when no one is looking
do you really pick up? I think not, the piles are everywhere.

[D&Lsunfun]

Since you live in Buttonwood, stay there and walk your dog at that mail station or in your neighborhood, what about your own yard.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Happinow

Great idea. It is not a dog walking area and we who go get our mail should not have to stumble over dogs and their leashes. And, it's gross to watch people put their dog poop on the trash bins there. I don't want to smell dog poop while putting my junk mail in the garbage. Keep up the good work Community Watch.

Originally Posted by gerryann

When's the last time you stumbled over a dog and their leash? Really ???

Originally Posted by CFrance

I have never walked my dogs at the mail station. And in seven years I have never had to stumble over dogs and their leashes. I've never observed anyone depositing dog poop in the recycling bin. People walking their dogs to the mail station have been friendly, respectful and cheerful.

Dogs and their owners need exercise. I see nothing with residents walking a dog to the mail station to pick up their mail. And of course, most dog owners carry bags and are very respectful of others.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by vj1213

I have to agree this is not about dog poop. That topic has been beaten to death. I often take my dog to the Tamarind Grove area too on our walks. After we walked today I was approached by Community Watch, he said this is not a dog park, I said excuse me, he said this is private property and you can't have a dog here. I simply said well my dog is on his leash, here is his poop in my little bag, and I do believe this is Villages property not private property. I said I don't understand how TV being taunted as pet friendly will allow me to walk my dog on any town square or inside any of the sales centers (we actually have dog treats in the sales centers to give to dogs who come in) and you say this is the only private property where dogs aren't allowed.
I must say there were a few very hot tempered dog walkers there who got very argumentative.
I came home and called the district office (was told they knew nothing) they passed me on to community watch who passed me to their supervisor, who passed me to their supervisor and no one could tell me anything. All I got from the last lady was..give me your # and we will have someone who is aware of the situation call you back. Haven't heard back.
I will just say, whether it be dogs or any other countless rules, there will always be those who don't believe rules apply to them or choose only to follow a select few. I don't think dogs should be hanging around the postal stations themselves, but in the grassy areas that surround them, I don't see a problem. Just gives some people something else to complain about.

Originally Posted by gerryann

Great post. I look forward to hearing what they say when they call back.

Good post. Please let us know the response from the Supervisor of Community Watch.

[tainsley]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Good post. Please let us know the response from the Supervisor of Community Watch.

Good post. Can't wait to see response from Community Watch. As Residents of TG my husband and I take our dog to the area being discussed. Not for him to relieve himself but just take a walk around the area and enjoy its beauty and go pick up the mail. I have never stepped in poop, dogs are leashed and it becomes a social time for pet owners and their dogs. I don't believe I have ever seen a person walking around that area who did not have a dog with them. If there are several residents picking up their mail at their mailboxes, I pick my dog up to get mine. I have never smelled urine or poop in the area even in the heat of the summer. I believe most dog owners are responsible. I would be more inclined to complain about cigarette butts strewn about or golf carts pulled sideways in parking area. But that can be another thread! C'mon Magee let's go for a walk! Have a happy day everyone!

[gomoho]

and p.s. those bins are not for your junk mail - supposed to take that home with you as well; however the bins are frequently overflowing so maybe Community Watch needs to patrol that as well. Would everyone please just relax and be considerate of one another. We can all get along - just use your head.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by gomoho

and p.s. those bins are not for your junk mail - supposed to take that home with you as well; however the bins are frequently overflowing so maybe Community Watch needs to patrol that as well. Would everyone please just relax and be considerate of one another. We can all get along - just use your head.

As usual, that gomoho is the voice of reason....and kindness.


Most of us love dogs, I am not a dog owner, but I love them. I have only seen with my own eyes one irresponsible dog owner who I spoke to directly and he picked up the dog poop out of my yard in Hadley with his bare hands. Yucky.


Every other person I so fortunately know with dogs take very good care to not allow their dogs to bother people. I am pretty sure they must have been the same with their kids.


Why this is happening at that lovely spot, we can only guess. In the years I have lived here, only one person seems to speak directly for the developer and that is Janet Tutt. But you all know me. I feel there is some good reason, and we will hear about it one of these days and then it will make sense.


I love that people who have good hearts and like to have a little extra someone to give their love to have dogs and cats. I am trying to understand why dogs are not liked universally. But if we were all the same, we would have nothing to talk about.

[Bogie Shooter]

I would bet if a 10 acre dog park was built anywhere in TV, there would be people coming on here and complaining that it was too far from their house.
Everyone will never be satisfied.
Seems the folks that go to DDR don't complain about the distance.
BTW is it still a problem to get volunteers to run the park up near Springdale?

[Lovey2]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

I love my dog beyond measure. that measure does not extend to another person's property. I chose a home without fence and small boundaries. My neighbors are not expected to share their lawns. I created the problem and it's mine to solve. Let's ride, Emma.

What a nice concept!! We had planned on buying a villa when we moved here, so the dog we were going to get (a boxer, Kitty) would have it's own private space to enjoy, and I could clean up the mess in private (I have no desire to be outside picking up poop and carrying it around with me), and my dog could go where I designated. We ended up with a second cat, so the dog acquisition went out the window. I agree there should be a consideration for a second dog park, but I don't think the Villages should HAVE TO provide this for dog owners, nor does that have one iota to do with the amenity fees. Should I insist on a scratch play-house for my cats...or maybe we can build an aviary for people with birds...really? And isn't it just funny how on these cold and windy days, I don't see any of those dogs that "just won't go" on their own lawns, being walked as usual and going on MY lawn...hmmmm...they must be holding it for the nice weather???

[smcgirl]

Originally Posted by zonerboy

At the risk of inducing an epidemic of terminal boredom, may I say this: the issue here is not poop. The issue is reasonable accommodation of the needs and desires of Villagers who happen to be dog owners. I am well aware that dog parks were not part of the promised amenities when I purchased my home. But perhaps they should be. That's my point. I could be wrong, but perhaps there would be fewer people walking their dogs in the vicinity of postal stations if there were an attractive alternative. Costs associated with providing and maintaining such a facility would be negligible compared to those of other recreational facilities.

I am always quite amazed at the number of posters on this site who seem to be utterly obsessed with "poop". Dr. Freud once postulated that such fascinations had their origin with early difficulties involved in potty training. Hence the derivation of the "anal retentive" and "anal explosive" personality types. I myself decline to make comment on such matters.

This my friend made me laugh.

[Lovey2]

This was sent to us by our village website to use to request another dog park below 466A...good idea...maybe if enough people take a minute to fill it in it just may happen
CIC Suggestion Form