[jdulej]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

I guess you have no clue what poor really is...
Besides, Slaves were poor before coming into this country.

Wow. So you take chains and the whip for 3 squares a day? Be my guest.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye!

I guess you have no clue what poor really is...
Besides, Slaves were poor before coming into this country.

“Coming”
Actually forced to come.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by tvbound

Although not everyone owned slaves, the vast majority of confederate state citizens knew how important the free labor and the owning of other human beings - was to the economy. THAT is the reason they fought to keep it.

How Slavery Became the Economic Engine of the South - HISTORY

but it will fall on deaf ears here , the Noble Cause theory is the only one here many will embrace , I read some of the comments and can’t help thinking that some are whistling Dixie while they write

[realmoxies]

Originally Posted by Neils

Many different statues and memorials on public property are offensive to me. How do we get them removed? Hopefully without violent riots!!

Walk on, just keep walking. Why should what you find offensive that others don't require an action on their part.
Just Move On!

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Allow me to make you a sage....

30 million taxpayers money on January 6

Yup, the same taxpayers who paid 5X the "normal" rate to stay in a red (orange?) politician hotel owners hotels to protect him. The same taxpayers who paid 5x the going rate for office space in those hotels for a big red party. Two wrongs don't make a right but if you're gonna disparage what you consider wastefulness you may as well show both sides of the fence. At least one is based on history whether you agree with it or not while the other is simply profiteering and self-enrichment.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Yup, the same taxpayers who paid 5X the "normal" rate to stay in a red (orange?) politician hotel owners hotels to protect him. The same taxpayers who paid 5x the going rate for office space in those hotels for a big red party. Two wrongs don't make a right but if you're gonna disparage what you consider wastefulness you may as well show both sides of the fence. At least one is based on history whether you agree with it or not while the other is simply profiteering and self-enrichment.

However, that 30 million was needed due to a normal, but busy day with “tourists” all over the capitol.

[doctorknow]

[QUOTE=Neils;2001560]Many different statues and memorials on public property are offensive to me. How do we get them removed? Hopefully without violent riots!![/QUOT

Why are so many things now "offensive" to so many people? I can remember a day when you can agree to disagree and not be offended. This political correctness is out of hand. There should not be anything"correct" about politics just different. You may agree or disagree but to be offended ...really???

[I'm Popeye!]

Why is it that these Statues and Confederate flags did not insult as many until lately when the PINK headed He/She/It/Thing came to be?

[RICH1]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

And someday the Schwartz Statue will be removed from Spanish Springs.

and Charge all of us an assessment because the Apartment Dwellers were offended

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by jdulej

Wow. So you take chains and the whip for 3 squares a day? Be my guest.

Too much tv.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by DAVES

I find our current divisiveness similar to what life after the civil war must have been like.
Roughly 10% of our population, of military age, fought in the war. Vets were a common sight missing arms, legs eyes etc. Lincoln wanted to welcome the south back into the union. Lincoln was murdered and Johnson became president. Johnson wanted vengeance. Part of how we got to where we are today.


Just as today. Reality is far more complex than what most accept as truth.

I come from the same family as Abraham Lincoln, which landed in Hingham MA in the 1630s, but not a direct relative, as there are none remaining, and I trace my origins back to Lincolnshire, England.

What people forget in their American history class is the UNITED STATES part, a collection of states rights, and that the Constitution was written in a very different time and place, with very different attitudes, but with great intentions for being the best government for the people of the times.

Keeping the union of 50 states with states rights is a huge balancing act, and is getting harder to manage the bigger we grow, and the in the age of worldwide social media, has other governments wanting to subvert through psy-ops. . . .

That is the nature of the human existence, especially in european and western cultures. Similar issues in the Euro, which is a collection of european country rights to try to compete with the US and others collectively.

Humans having some herding instincts find that having a common enemy helps survival and organization for a leader. . . in behavioral psychology, its competitive human organizational games versus cooperative human organizational games.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DAVES

I find people interesting. "Sorry no one cares you are offended." Sadly that illustrates where we are and how we got here. It reads as my mind is closed. I am right and you are wrong. These and most things are complex issues. People typically communicate in one liners.

Sadly where we are and how we got here. ALL of us need to HONESTLY look around yourselves.

Condi Rice regularly stated at her lectures, If all your friends agree with you, you need some new friends. Reality, I've had several people, one almost a quote say, all my friends agree with me so I am unfriending you.

Break up Facebook!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by zendog3

The fathers of the Confederacy claimed to be fighting for the principle of state's rights, one of those rights being the institution of slavery. But many made it abundantly clear they considered black people inferior. Therefore, they stated clearly that the war was to preserve the institution of slavery.

Lincoln was no saint. While his position of the status of black people changed over his life, he felt that blacks should not be slaves, but it would be generations before they evolved to a position of equality with white European immigrants.

Immediately after the Civil War, blacks had relatively equal status with whites. But after the north removed the occupation of the south. Whites moved quickly to reimpose repression of black people. It was in that period that veneration of Confederate generals took place.

Put simply, do we want glorious statues to men whose main claim to fame was that they were willing to die and put others to death to preserve the right of white people to keep black people in chains? Again, think about what slavery is. If you were a black person, how would you feel walking under a heroic statue to a general who fought to keep your family in slavery?

Although overt racism is out of vogue, there are still people who think Lincoln was right. Black people aren't relatively equal to white people. If you are one of that–shame on you. America will never be the great nation we aspire to be until all Americans have equality. And, we should not have monuments to people who fought against that ideal.

President Johnson pushed through Civil Rights Legislation, but it did NOT go far enough. it needed mechanisms to eliminate "ghettoes" and encourage non-white home purchases in White areas. It needed Federal laws against restrictive building codes that were NOT for safety, but rather, to maintain racial separation. Also, adoption laws that REQUIRED adoption of different races - would have been NICE. The US MISSED its WINDOW of opportunity toward FULL equality in the 1960s!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Too much tv.

As in....television or The Villages? tv or tv?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

I come from the same family as Abraham Lincoln, which landed in Hingham MA in the 1630s, but not a direct relative, as there are none remaining, and I trace my origins back to Lincolnshire, England.

What people forget in their American history class is the UNITED STATES part, a collection of states rights, and that the Constitution was written in a very different time and place, with very different attitudes, but with great intentions for being the best government for the people of the times.

Keeping the union of 50 states with states rights is a huge balancing act, and is getting harder to manage the bigger we grow, and the in the age of worldwide social media, has other governments wanting to subvert through psy-ops. . . .

That is the nature of the human existence, especially in european and western cultures. Similar issues in the Euro, which is a collection of european country rights to try to compete with the US and others collectively.

Humans having some herding instincts find that having a common enemy helps survival and organization for a leader. . . in behavioral psychology, its competitive human organizational games versus cooperative human organizational games.

I would change the 2 Senators per state rule - to somewhat MORE proportional to population! Also, the Jim Crow aspects of the initial erecting of the statues, sort of, tells the tale of the reason for so doing!