[Gordon82]

As long as they keep the amenities in line with the population, who cares? If they start building "village islands" that are not connected to the main campus, don't have significant amenities, and have the right to use main campus amenities, things could get interesting.

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by Gordon82

As long as they keep the amenities in line with the population, who cares? If they start building "village islands" that are not connected to the main campus, don't have significant amenities, and have the right to use main campus amenities, things could get interesting.

Fenny people will use the main campus amenities and nobody from the main campus will use Fenny amenities. What will Fenny have that the main campus doesn't ? Nothing...What will Fenny have that the main campus people want? Nothing...
My wife searches the Rec news for yoga and swim activities for the week which ultimately take her to all of the different rec centers south of Lake Sumter. During the off season she needs to arrive 30 to 45 minutes early to secure her place. She certainly will not travel south of SR44 on a golf cart.

[justjim]

I was told by a Village real estate agent a year or so ago that the Developer wanted to continue building in order to continue employment for an many employees as possible. It seemed to me like a sincere and honest opinion from someone fairly close to those in charge of the construction operations of The Villages.

Of course, with the large commercial property owned by the Developer, a larger population base is certainly not bad for business.

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by RickeyD

http://www.wildwood-fl.gov/vertical/...THERN_OAKS.pdf

Thanks for looking this up!

From page 5 ->
At build out, and subject to the conditions and restrictions herein, there will be a maximum of 1,214 residential units, 1,930 apartments, condominiums, and townhouses, .....

too few residential units

From Page 46 ->
The onsite wetlands total just under 40% of the site and along with adjacent upland buffers are being preserved.

too little space

This doesn’t sound like the usual game plan for our developer based on the above plans.

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by champion6

An application for mass grading has been submitted the Southwest Florida Water Management District for an area called Southern Oaks. It is 2,307 acres, located south of 44 (but not touching 44), east of 468 and north of the Turnpike. Link to application: Environmental Resource Permit Apps

The attachment shows the outline of Southern Oaks.

Here's the interesting part. The applicants are the property owner - Daryl M Carter, PO box, Orlando - as well as Martin Dzure, 1045 Lake Sumter Landing, The Villages.

Grant & Dzuro Engineering is at this address. This address was formerly used by Mid Florida Properties LLC, a developer-owned business that is now at 1020 Lake Sumter Landing.

Hmm ... If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Just take a ride down that way. Lots of trees coming down, and land being cleared.

Originally Posted by RickeyD

Fenny people will use the main campus amenities and nobody from the main campus will use Fenny amenities. What will Fenny have that the main campus doesn't ? Nothing...What will Fenny have that the main campus people want? Nothing...
My wife searches the Rec news for yoga and swim activities for the week which ultimately take her to all of the different rec centers south of Lake Sumter. During the off season she needs to arrive 30 to 45 minutes early to secure her place.
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Even if it's accessible by golf cart?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

As long as the sun comes and goes down in the evening the build will continue.

How many of use got sucked in by the build out?

Not me, because even five years ago I asked myself what the developer's incentive was to stop what has obviously shown to be a very successful business model?

Given that 'The Family' is only getting bigger and the natural tendency is to bring those members into 'the business'...I can't see why they would stop.

And as far as I'm concerned, as long as they build the amenities and infrastructure (re: golf courses primarily) to keep up...I welcome additional people seeking their dream retirement spot.

I personally am not one of those (not saying you are either) who have the 'I got mine, find yours somewhere else'...line of reasoning.

I have more than a couple of neighbors (who have been here about twice as long as me)...who feel pretty strong about that philosophy however.

[Schaumburger]

champion6, thank you for posting this information . . . very interesting.

The land acquired to build the Village of Fenney (1,000 acres according to the 3/29 article in the other Villages news site) will support 3,000 homes.

I know this is speculation, but if this land in the Southern Oaks project is indeed to become another Village(s), wouldn't a purchase of 2,307 acres support at least 5,000 additional homes?

I remember the first time I visited The Villages in 2011 with my friend who was home shopping. The Villages agent who took us to see homes told us that TV's build out would be complete by 2015 or 2016 at the latest. That was the information given to the Villages sales agents 5 years ago to pass along to potential home buyers.

I will keep checking TOTV and the other Villages news site to see what happens with this issue.

[mickey100]

If the developers feel they need more money and they want to expand the villages that is their perogative. They do an adequate job of providing golf courses and amenities, although as others have pointed out it's very difficult to use some of those amenities during the high season because of the steep demand. But one thing they have not done is to improve the highway infrastructure in and around the villages. Look at route 466 for example. That was built to handle a certain volume of traffic. The villages has almost tripled in size since we moved here and yet the highway infrastructure has changed very little. That translates to traffic tie ups and huge traffic delays during the high season. Each year it is worse with more and more people. Wait until March arrives - this place will be a zoo. You can plan on taking twice as long to get somewhere, given the increased traffic and resultanting decreased roadway capacity.

[Bonny]

"The Family" are developers. As long as there is land, they will continue in their job of developing. I would highly doubt they would ever quit their job because others say there should be a buildout.
If there is land, someone will develop it. I would much rather have "The Family" develop it than some other developer who will certainly not care about us at all.
Carry on Morse Family. I love it.

[andercat]

I'm just throwing this out. I have no inside information. Do you think that The Developer will eventually connect the new Village of Fenny to the main campus? Fill in the space in between? Is that even possible?

[circletrack]

Originally Posted by andercat

I'm just throwing this out. I have no inside information. Do you think that The Developer will eventually connect the new Village of Fenny to the main campus? Fill in the space in between? Is that even possible?

Would have to find a way to cross the turnpike.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by mickey100

If the developers feel they need more money and they want to expand the villages that is their perogative. They do an adequate job of providing golf courses and amenities, although as others have pointed out it's very difficult to use some of those amenities during the high season because of the steep demand. But one thing they have not done is to improve the highway infrastructure in and around the villages. Look at route 466 for example. That was built to handle a certain volume of traffic. The villages has almost tripled in size since we moved here and yet the highway infrastructure has changed very little. That translates to traffic tie ups and huge traffic delays during the high season. Each year it is worse with more and more people. Wait until March arrives - this place will be a zoo. You can plan on taking twice as long to get somewhere, given the increased traffic and resultanting decreased roadway capacity.

The roads in Sumter county are owned by the county, so they would have to respond to traffic concerns by expanding the capacity. They have already addressed some problems, such as widening the Morse/466 intersection to include right turn lanes and lengthen the left turn lanes on 466 to reduce the times that lane backs up traffic on 466. They completed (finally) the expansion/revision of 466A from Powell Rd. to 301. And now the work on 466A from the Shell station to 441.

When we got here in 2006, 466 east of the seafood place was one lane each direction. The developer funded the expansion to Rolling Acres. And he funded the expansion of 466A from one lane to two from Powell Rd. east to the Shell station. So, IMO, he has fulfilled his responsibility as TV expands.

Traffic increases and facility access problems are endemic in FL during the high season. Recreation facilities, restaurants, medical facilities as well as roads are overtaxed throughout the state. I don't think there is interest in funding expansion for the 3-4 month period.

[bike42]

Originally Posted by circletrack

Would have to find a way to cross the turnpike.

The bridge over the Turnpike is already there, but they are not likely to mix golf cart traffic with turnpike entry/exit traffic, and the road speed limits are too high. The other barrier is SR 44 -- plus the distance. Who would want to travel that far by golf cart?

I think that's the rationale for the "buildout" -- the main area that is golf cart accessible will be finished, but there will be many outlying developments -- done by TV or others -- that will complement the central core.

[Dixie Duo]

Under the documents tab of ERP Permit #24580.004 APP:731440 you will see that the Company name is The Villages of Lake Sumter. The original land use in 2010 called for 1214 residential, 1930 apartments, condominiums, and townhomes, 300 bed ACLF , 505,000 sq.ft. of commercial, and 2,685,000 sq. ft. of business park. Description of permit was : predominately business park and commercial uses that are supported by residential uses. Unless changes are made to original description sounds like this will not be a new "Village' type development but a new type venture.