[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Birx reportedly said '''there is nothing from the CDC that I can trust''' - Business Insider

Very interesting since WAPO is certainly not a fan of the Government. Her statement also maps with several reports by physicians (including my daughter in law) that they are being told to list any death that may have had a "symptom" common to the Wuhan virus as "virus related". Pneumonia? Wuhan Virus. Heart Attack? Wuhan Virus.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by JoMar

The good news is those that want to get back to normal won't be making those decisions.

as long as it don't affect golf right!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Cheapbas

We have a different goal here in the villages.

It’s keep your name off of a park bench.

Stop trying to sell this “goal achieved” thing and suggest we should be “moving on”. We are not at a green light.

look at the Revised death toll estimates

The president just up’d his death toll estimates 2x to 120k. The CDC along with some wiz MIT Modeler think 261k by august.

the Governor Recently said 85% of the deaths in this state were over 65. The average age in TV is around 72.

Let individuals here make their own decisions, you shouldn’t be encouraging anything.

As long as it don't affect golf right!

[Aloha1]

I am in the vulnerable age group. I'm in good health although technically I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol. I say technically because the miracles of modern medical science have provided me with medications that control both down to the accepted norm. Having said this, I FIRMLY agree it's time to reopen. This belief in no way is a knock on those who insist they need to stay isolated. Many of us do and should.

But consider this: The vast majority of TV'ers rely on Social Security, pensions, and savings to fund their retirement. The longer the economy remains shut down, the more danger grows that all three of these sources are threatened.

Take SSA, where the money to fund it comes from payroll deductions on those currently working. Latest stat this week is close to 30 million of those workers are not working and therefore not paying the SSA tax. What happens to you if the Government says, "sorry, no check this month"?

Pensions from a company rely on that company making contributions to it's retirement fund. If the company is shut down, where does the money come from to make that pensions payment?

Finally, your savings. Interest rates are less than 1% for most fixed investments. The stock market will continue to be a roller coaster ride for quite a while. No guarantee what you have today will be what you have tomorrow.

So I say, open up. Do it smart but open up. This virus will be around for a long time just like the flu. We cannot wait for the pipe dream of no more cases and no more deaths before we open up. those of us with underlying conditions are smart enough to take the right precautions such as masks, gloves, sanitizer, etc, when going out. We know to avoid large crowds and maintain social distancing even if others don't. The only way to control the spread of this virus at present is by increasing herd immunity. The fewer targets, the less virus. This does not mean everybody stay home because that only delays the inevitable spread that would result.

The vast majority of those who have been infected had no to mild symptoms. They need to get back to work for their sake and ours.

[Alto2548]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Recheck what data? The concept of flattening the curve is to keep the level cases below the point where ICU units aren’t overloaded. They aren’t - anywhere in the country. Even NY which was the hardest hit state by far, has plenty of capacity. They have sent the hospital ship Comfort away because it’s not needed.

Too many people have been brain-washed by the media hype and trying to inform them otherwise is a waste of time.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

I am in the vulnerable age group. I'm in good health although technically I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol. I say technically because the miracles of modern medical science have provided me with medications that control both down to the accepted norm. Having said this, I FIRMLY agree it's time to reopen. This belief in no way is a knock on those who insist they need to stay isolated. Many of us do and should.

But consider this: The vast majority of TV'ers rely on Social Security, pensions, and savings to fund their retirement. The longer the economy remains shut down, the more danger grows that all three of these sources are threatened.

Take SSA, where the money to fund it comes from payroll deductions on those currently working. Latest stat this week is close to 30 million of those workers are not working and therefore not paying the SSA tax. What happens to you if the Government says, "sorry, no check this month"?

Pensions from a company rely on that company making contributions to it's retirement fund. If the company is shut down, where does the money come from to make that pensions payment?

Finally, your savings. Interest rates are less than 1% for most fixed investments. The stock market will continue to be a roller coaster ride for quite a while. No guarantee what you have today will be what you have tomorrow.

So I say, open up. Do it smart but open up. This virus will be around for a long time just like the flu. We cannot wait for the pipe dream of no more cases and no more deaths before we open up. those of us with underlying conditions are smart enough to take the right precautions such as masks, gloves, sanitizer, etc, when going out. We know to avoid large crowds and maintain social distancing even if others don't. The only way to control the spread of this virus at present is by increasing herd immunity. The fewer targets, the less virus. This does not mean everybody stay home because that only delays the inevitable spread that would result.

The vast majority of those who have been infected had no to mild symptoms. They need to get back to work for their sake and ours.

I think most of us older folks are agreeing that open or closed, we are staying quarantined unless and until there is a remedy or a vaccine. I think anyone over 70 who doesn't do everything to stay away from any possible contacts is playing with death.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by Alto2548

Too many people have been brain-washed by the media hype and trying to inform them otherwise is a waste of time.

Too many people have been brain-washed by wacko fringe and conspiracy groups and trying to educate them with actual facts or science - is a waste of time.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

I am in the vulnerable age group. I'm in good health although technically I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol. I say technically because the miracles of modern medical science have provided me with medications that control both down to the accepted norm. Having said this, I FIRMLY agree it's time to reopen. This belief in no way is a knock on those who insist they need to stay isolated. Many of us do and should.

But consider this: The vast majority of TV'ers rely on Social Security, pensions, and savings to fund their retirement. The longer the economy remains shut down, the more danger grows that all three of these sources are threatened.

Take SSA, where the money to fund it comes from payroll deductions on those currently working. Latest stat this week is close to 30 million of those workers are not working and therefore not paying the SSA tax. What happens to you if the Government says, "sorry, no check this month"?

Pensions from a company rely on that company making contributions to it's retirement fund. If the company is shut down, where does the money come from to make that pensions payment?

Finally, your savings. Interest rates are less than 1% for most fixed investments. The stock market will continue to be a roller coaster ride for quite a while. No guarantee what you have today will be what you have tomorrow.

So I say, open up. Do it smart but open up. This virus will be around for a long time just like the flu. We cannot wait for the pipe dream of no more cases and no more deaths before we open up. those of us with underlying conditions are smart enough to take the right precautions such as masks, gloves, sanitizer, etc, when going out. We know to avoid large crowds and maintain social distancing even if others don't. The only way to control the spread of this virus at present is by increasing herd immunity. The fewer targets, the less virus. This does not mean everybody stay home because that only delays the inevitable spread that would result.

The vast majority of those who have been infected had no to mild symptoms. They need to get back to work for their sake and ours.

Only issue is that everyone has an opinon on what is the smart way to open up. The good news is there are only a few people whose opinion matters, the bad news is not everyone will agree and will continue to provide subject fodder here.

[DON10E]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

We never hear about SARS anymore here in the US. Is it really a threat anymore? How many deaths are there annually for this virus? Maybe the SARS vaccine has been put on the back burner.

SARS mutated into something not contagious. That’s why it just “went away”. That’s also why Covid 19 might, too. Might not, but there’s precedent.

[DON10E]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Only issue is that everyone has an opinon on what is the smart way to open up. The good news is there are only a few people whose opinion matters, the bad news is not everyone will agree and will continue to provide subject fodder here.

Never in human history have we ever quarantined the healthy. We have always quarantined the sick/vulnerable.

Until now.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by MOMOH

Just because the curve is flattening, and you will be able to get into a hospital for care, doesn't mean that you will be able to be cured. The problem with this disease is that in many cases it can't be cured and you only get into the hospital for them to try. Until there's a vaccine or cure this isn't over.

Really? How long did you stay locked inside your house after Pandemic H1N1 in 2008-2009? Not a single day? And last fall & winter during flu season? The 2019 flu vaccine was highly ineffective and that flu was also quite frequently lethal. I won’t even bring up the requisite behavioral changes you surely made in response to HIV/AIDS. We all take risks every day of our lives. This virus was believed to be a lot more lethal than it is so we should happily and thankfully adjust to the new reality.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I think most of us older folks are agreeing that open or closed, we are staying quarantined unless and until there is a remedy or a vaccine. I think anyone over 70 who doesn't do everything to stay away from any possible contacts is playing with death.

I’m sorry the media has scared you into not being able to enjoy ‘the lifestyle.’

It’s a shame that there hasn’t been equal airtime given to the experts who hold opposing but equally compelling views on the ever-evolving analysis of the newest statistical data. So much has been learned in just a few weeks yet many remain steadfast in their lockdown mindset. What will you do if no cure and no vaccine ever comes? Other viruses like SARS and the common cold don’t have a cure nor a vaccine. My plan is to pray, wash, sanitize and go out wearing a mask. I don’t want to live the rest of my life as a shut-in.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by DON10E

Never in human history have we ever quarantined the healthy. We have always quarantined the sick/vulnerable.

Until now.

We don't know who the healthy are....even your doctor can't tell you, all they can do is assess the risk......and that's probably a WAG.

[canyonblue]

Originally Posted by DON10E

Never in human history have we ever quarantined the healthy. We have always quarantined the sick/vulnerable.

Until now.

Well the Democrats did it to Japanese-Americans during WW2 so they do have precedent.

[Bay Kid]

We are going to need bigger homes.