[merrymini]

The WHO has shown itself to be biased and unreliable by its commitment to trusting China and its lies.

[Joe C.]

#1 Do really believe everything the WHO says? Their main goal is preserving their organization. While they do have doctors and nurses who are passionate about saving lives, their administration part of their business has other (financial, political) interests.

#2 The OP has it right.

#3 It is also about (government) controlling all aspects of our lives.

#4 Follow the $$$ … see where it's all going now.

#5 Unfortunately, today's condition can bring us closer to socialism than we've ever
been.

#6 I don't trust the government and certainly don't believe the crap that the media puts
out. Whether it's the television news, newspapers or the internet, it's all designed to
influence us.

[Klatu]

The goal was to reduce the spread of the disease in a huge surge, all at once; it was not intended to stop it forever. Remember the graphs with the spike, that would overwhelm health care facilities? The curve has been flattened and facilities have excess capacity. Yes, when lockdown ends, there will be rise, but not the tsunami we were told was about to come. Suggesting the lockdown is to reduce the infection spreading is a clear case of alarmists moving the goalposts when the problem seems to on its way to resolution. We were not "sold" on the idea that lockdown would continue until a vaccine would be found, just until the spread has been flattened. Now we're at that point and the doomsayers are saying we need to wait longer, longer. And they are not to be trusted. After all, there are folks involved in this discussion nationally who see benefit from ongoing lockdown which cripples the economy and can be used to defeat Trump in November.

One more thing. As testing increases in number, the number of cases identified will increase. Let's not take seriously the panic reporting from biased sources at the "increase" in cases. The cases were/are there regardless of testing; we are just uncovering them. After all, if we started "testing" to see how many people cheat on their income taxes --even if only a few dollars -- and found out the number was large, then would we be justified to say there is a surge in cheating? No; we are just identifying the number that was there all along. In the case of the Wuhan virus, it is hospitalizations that we need to monitor.

And one more thing: postponement of elective surgery. It has caused hospitals to lay off staff. This is another effect of the panic that said we must shutdown. Elective surgeries are not inconsequential. They are not cosmetic or minor surgery, just surgery that allows for the date to be chosen ("elected"). How many people were put off surgery of a serious nature by this lockdown?

In sum, this lockdown did bend the curve. But it must end, for the good of individuals, the economy, our national spirit. And Florida is doing it right. Just check this article and be glad we are not saddled with the kind of leadership Illinois folks have to contend with:

Commentary: Sorry, Illinois, but Florida is doing this reopening thing right - Chicago Tribune

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Great thread. Can we get our resident doctors to chime in? Are they Blue Ash and Golfing Eagles, is that right?

Paging...

[Kathi71]

THe cur ve has not been flattened. It has been bent so that the angle is not as steep. If it were flattened it would be horizontal. Best case would be if it were at an acute angle and headed down.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by devorejh

Unfortunately there are way too many scared and paranoid people around right now. They have bought into this government and media generated over-reaction to a virus. Based on testing we now know that this virus will have about the same mortality rate as the flu that comes around every year, meaning that this whole thing was unnecessary. Some confrontations are inevitable as the paranoid want you to be like them.

Why does everyone compare this to the flu ? It's not only the higher "mortality rate" that makes this dangerous it's the fact that it is twice as contagious over a shorter period of time:

Flu deaths vs. coronavirus deaths: These reasons show why Covid-19 can be more dangerous than the flu - CNN

Q&A: Similarities and differences – COVID-19 and influenza.

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by DecaturFargo

Not sure what figures you're looking at but our numbers are still going up, not down. What's your hurry?

The numbers in TV have gone down ever so slightly. For about 3 weeks it has been at 79 and a few days ago it went down to 77. Of the 77 we don't know how many people have already fully recovered.

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by Swoop

“The WHO has repeatedly underlined the importance of "flattening the curve" in order to tackle the coronavirus outbreak, calling on countries around the world to impose sweeping public health measures.“

As far as I am concerned, WHO has lost its credibility. It now appears to be just another political entity.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Cheapbas

We have a different goal here in the villages.

It’s keep your name off of a park bench.

Stop trying to sell this “goal achieved” thing and suggest we should be “moving on”. We are not at a green light.

look at the Revised death toll estimates

The president just up’d his death toll estimates 2x to 120k. The CDC along with some wiz MIT Modeler think 261k by august.

the Governor Recently said 85% of the deaths in this state were over 65. The average age in TV is around 72.

Let individuals here make their own decisions, you shouldn’t be encouraging anything.

I absolutely agree. Heck I even like your NAME! I bet your mom didn't have anything but smart kids. Well said, sir or madam. Proud to know you live here.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

As far as I am concerned, WHO has lost its credibility. It now appears to be just another political entity.

I absolutely agree. I only posted that in response to someone who questioned who had recommended flattening the curve to begin with. The WHO was one of many, I was just citing them as one source.

[argos5usa]

We've reached the point of diminishing returns from the lock down and entering the area of harmful effects on people's health as a result of the Rec Department deciding to keep Pickleball courts and other physical activities closed.

There's no valid excuse for not opening the Pickleball courts now.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Kathi71

THe cur ve has not been flattened. It has been bent so that the angle is not as steep. If it were flattened it would be horizontal. Best case would be if it were at an acute angle and headed down.

Here is a link to a graph of “flattening the curve”. As long as we stay below the dotted line (not overwhelming hospitals) we have succeeded in flattening the curve. That was the purpose of the shutdown.
How to Flatten the Curve on Coronavirus - The New York Times

[billethkid]

We have the luxury of being able to choose whether and what should be open or not. and for how long.
And we also have the choice to not leave home or participate in anything we choose or not.
Now we have people doing our shopping for us.....for almost anything.

Our retirement revenue/income (for most of us) is not dependent on opening or closing of anything.

The real issue is just how long can businesses be shut down before they go out of business?
How long can the government be handing out money to people who are out of work?

In the short term we are paying a price with objectives to flatten the curve and start back to normal.

Both the small and large businesses are approaching their survival limit. Many would not be able to survive stopping or back to closing down.

Whether we like it or not America cannot survive a return to shutting down again. The price has already been paid to do that. We are going to be faced with decisions to be made just like we have on current and past prices to be paid.....lives lost to the flu each and every year....lives lost on the highway each and every day.....we will be facing the same outlook/attitude/tolerance toward Covid-19 numbers......until such time as there is a cure or vaccine (maybe 50% will opt to get).

It is likely shutting down America will end the ability for many to ever get back to any semblance of past levels of normal.

There will be different price to be paid.....that will become, like so many others, tolerable.

I do hope I am wrong.

[canyonblue]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Flu deaths vs. coronavirus deaths: These reasons show why Covid-19 can be more dangerous than the flu - CNN

Sorry, I just can't watch the Coronavirus Negative News, aka CNN.

[Don Ferguson]

One death is too many! That is an absolute truism! Every single death from COVID-19 is a tragedy to every friend and family member of the deceased. People have certainly died from this virus unleashed on us. Our short term "lock down" reaction was justified for all, and certainly remains a viable choice for us "old and vulnerable to comorbidity problems "! HOWEVER, as a national strategy it is not an exaggeration to state IT IS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY! Our response is completely out of proportion to the problem. Even if you believe the inflated COVID-19 death numbers, try and put them in perspective. If corona virus continues unabated (we do nothing) , it would be only the 7th leading cause of death per year in this country! Anybody consider shutting down to cure heart disease (655,381 deaths per year) Cancer (599,274/year) etc. etc. I believe I have more than earned the right to criticize this strategy since I am solidly in the absolute maximum vulnerability categories of age AND I have both of the top 2 comorbidity diseases! There is not a reason in the world that us "vulnerable old folks" can not voluntarily do our own quarantine/shelter as long as we want. To impose that prolonged protocol on the rest of the citizens is asinine!