[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Nucky

The Developer Trying To Kill Spanish Springs? Can I present one simple question, please? Have some of our valued neighbors lost your damn minds? You don't want people walking their dogs on your property but telling someone else what to do with Real Estate that they have owned since the earth was flat is okay? Sorry but that doesn't compute. What's even crazier is that the demise of Spanish Springs is a figment of someone's immagination who has to much time on their hands.

Stop the foolishness. We are coming out of the biggest disaster of the last 100 years. Cut out stirring up something that doesn't exist or is none of your business!

I don't know about you Nucky, but as a resident, homeowner, taxpayer, and registered voter of the town of Lady Lake, in Lake County, the development of residential units in a commercial zone in the town of Lady Lake, in Lake County, is my business.

The restaurant that we enjoyed, Gator's Dockside, is at risk of closing for good due to lack of people to work the closing shift. That will negatively affect the Square. It's not the Developer's fault, but it is a "thing" that's going on there. It'll be one more business closed, on one more corner immediately adjacent to the public square area. The Rialto is closed. Gator's might close. The Square is experiencing problems, and adding 7 residential units to a commercial zone is not the answer.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I don't know about you Nucky, but as a resident, homeowner, taxpayer, and registered voter of the town of Lady Lake, in Lake County, the development of residential units in a commercial zone in the town of Lady Lake, in Lake County, is my business.

The restaurant that we enjoyed, Gator's Dockside, is at risk of closing for good due to lack of people to work the closing shift. That will negatively affect the Square. It's not the Developer's fault, but it is a "thing" that's going on there. It'll be one more business closed, on one more corner immediately adjacent to the public square area. The Rialto is closed. Gator's might close. The Square is experiencing problems, and adding 7 residential units to a commercial zone is not the answer.

If the old model were working, it would still be making money for the owners of the property. Businesses seldom disappear unless they aren't profitable enough to justify the work, and the risk. It seems obvious to me that the businesses that have closed closed due to not making enough money.
It is someone's job to make that space as profitable as possible. Unfortunately for those who would prefer to have things there remain as they were 20 years ago, some things are influencing decisions away from that. One is that the old model isn't generating enough cash flow to justify keeping it, and, here's the scary one: since the owners of that property are no longer trying to sell new developments in that area, it no longer is of benefit to them as a lure to bring in new Villagers.
They are likely trying to generate the maximum cash flow they can, and in true capitalist fashion, don't give a hoot about how it affects the lifestyle of the neighbors, or the value of their homes. In fact, by making the neighborhood less desirable to prospective buyers, it funnels more buyers to the newer sections.

One of my misgivings about buying in TV was the fact that if I chose to sell someday, I would be in competition with the developer, and I'd lose. But I did it anyway.

The more they invest in building in the south, the less motivated they will be to keep the north attractive.
That's just my opinion. Maybe the family doesn't feel that way. Maybe they feel a debt of gratitude to the people who bought into Gary Morse's dream. Maybe they do. I would hope so, but, they didn't all get to be billionaires by being driven my sentimentality.

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by JSR22

Hacienda was not an amenity.

Didn't say it was, but if you recall the AAC voted to give the developer 150 amenity fees for free for their apartments planned on the Hacienda site.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

........is my business. The Square is experiencing problems, and adding 7 residential units to a commercial zone is not the answer.

Empty vs. Apartments (it's probably for sale) those are the choices now............unless you are going to tell a company how to run their business.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Empty vs. Apartments (it's probably for sale) those are the choices now............unless you are going to tell a company how to run their business.

Wonder just how expensive rents are in the squares? Outside strip malls on 27/441 seem to be pretty full.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Wonder just how expensive rents are in the squares? Outside strip malls on 27/441 seem to be pretty full.

Jus like living inside TV, probably higher than outside TV.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Wonder just how expensive rents are in the squares? Outside strip malls on 27/441 seem to be pretty full.

They also seem to be very busy and full.
Rents are rents, they are charging what the market will bear. Maybe there’s a premium because the real estate is golf car accessible. If that doesn’t warrant a rent premium, it will not be charged.

Maybe the problem is us (the residents), do we eat at all the restaurants often or do we get bad service one time write a bad review and never go back again? How much did you spend at the retails shop in SS last year?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

They also seem to be very busy and full.
Rents are rents, they are charging what the market will bear. Maybe there’s a premium because the real estate is golf car accessible. If that doesn’t warrant a rent premium, it will not be charged.

Maybe the problem is us (the residents), do we eat at all the restaurants often or do we get bad service one time write a bad review and never go back again? How much did you spend at the retails shop in SS last year?

If your asking how much I spent at the SS retail shops probably very little. Now my wife would be another story.

[vintageogauge]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

They also seem to be very busy and full.
Rents are rents, they are charging what the market will bear. Maybe there’s a premium because the real estate is golf car accessible. If that doesn’t warrant a rent premium, it will not be charged.

Maybe the problem is us (the residents), do we eat at all the restaurants often or do we get bad service one time write a bad review and never go back again? How much did you spend at the retails shop in SS last year?

I've been to all of the restaurants in all 3 squares and don't think I ever had an experience in any of them that would stop me from going back. I like to give restaurants a second chance, even a third. Sometimes they end up being one of my favorites. What I won't do on a square is wait in line to get a drink from the booze huts. If there is no line I go in otherwise I'll go to City Fire or one of the others with outside bars for drinks. We also buy from the retail stores, shoes, clothing, home decor, etc. it's nice to have them around.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

They also seem to be very busy and full.
Rents are rents, they are charging what the market will bear. Maybe there’s a premium because the real estate is golf car accessible. If that doesn’t warrant a rent premium, it will not be charged.

Maybe the problem is us (the residents), do we eat at all the restaurants often or do we get bad service one time write a bad review and never go back again? How much did you spend at the retails shop in SS last year?

We go to the squares fairly regularly. We were getting wings at Gator's almost weekly, until the unemployment incentives tanked their employee roster and their service and wait-time for food was significantly reduced. But we did still go. Just not as often. We also enjoy World of Beer, we were just there this past week in fact. I love the waffle cones at Kilwins and sometimes will go in just to buy a cone, even if I'm not in the mood for ice cream.

I check the shops for clearance sales in case there's a shirt or pair of shorts they're trying to get rid of. A few nice things but 50% of $160 is still more than I'll ever pay for a shirt. When it gets down to under $20 I try it on.

We also go to the squares to listen to music and dance on occasion and always get drinks at the huts.

I also like checking out the craft fairs, though seeing the same vendors over and over again is kinda uninspiring. Once in awhile I'll buy something, usually a soap, or a packet of spice. Actually hoping the Vermont maple syrup people come back soon, we're almost out and we don't use "pancake" syrup or "table" syrup. Maple syrup in the stores is stupidly expensive and that vendor's prices are actually reasonable.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

It does seem that no one is talking about if property owned by the developers (I assume this is, if not, the entire conversation makes no sense) should not be allowed to be repurposed if the developers are not making as much money as they would like to from that property.

For people that seem to enjoy capitalism, that enjoyment only extends to what they think a company should do?

And now for the rest of the story:

The area is zoned by Lady Lake as commercial not residential. The developer in essence is asking to change the law for their particular interests (a variance) thus in this case the developer is not allowed to do whatever they wish carte blanche with "their property". Only within the law. The citizens of Lady Lake have every right to their input to the change. The elected officials have an obligation to make a decision that will ultimately benefit all the citizens.

[vintageogauge]

Originally Posted by rustyp

And now for the rest of the story:

The area is zoned by Lady Lake as commercial not residential. The developer in essence is asking to change the law for their particular interests (a variance) thus in this case the developer is not allowed to do whatever they wish carte blanche with "their property". Only within the law. The citizens of Lady Lake have every right to their input to the change. The elected officials have an obligation to make a decision that will ultimately benefit all the citizens.

However, everyone knows including our elected officials that there is always something in their back pocket that will not make their residents happy and would not require a variance. Local Government 101.

[kansasr]

I do find it interesting, with all the uproar over what's happening in Spanish Springs, that SUDDENLY there's a front page article in the Daily Sun about how wonderful things are in Spanish Springs......

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by rustyp

And now for the rest of the story:

The area is zoned by Lady Lake as commercial not residential. The developer in essence is asking to change the law for their particular interests (a variance) thus in this case the developer is not allowed to do whatever they wish carte blanche with "their property". Only within the law. The citizens of Lady Lake have every right to their input to the change. The elected officials have an obligation to make a decision that will ultimately benefit all the citizens.

I completely agree, ANY business can only do what they want within the law. I would think that would "go without saying" but I guess in todays world that might be a bad assumption.

And elected officials always SHOULD do what is in their constituents best interest. Yup...

I am not familiar with the conditions around the Squares (north or south) do the dev's maintain ownership of the Squares? If so, are there any agreements in the purchase agreement for a house in an area with a square?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by kansasr

I do find it interesting, with all the uproar over what's happening in Spanish Springs, that SUDDENLY there's a front page article in the Daily Sun about how wonderful things are in Spanish Springs......

Well the developer told them to do so in order help the rest of us think life is wonderful in SS.