[Challenger]

Originally Posted by Villageshooter

u believed what they told u!? u really drank the koolaide,,, the mooris family will build this place to the shores of lake erie if they think there are more suckers that will pay these outragous prices for homes that shoddy built in no time at all by unskilled labor in a right to work state. if ICE ever showed up on a job site most of the workers would run like rats.
if they stop building it would be like McDonalds saying we have sold enough hamburgers
the line ur were feed is like Limited time only for the McRib!, get real!,

My 8th and 9th homes are here in TV. Of all of the other 7, none was as high for quality as TV. Incredible followup by builder and warranty dept. Love the restrictions. Wish they went even further. I have financed many developers and projects in my career and none has been better than this one.

The quoted post is just baiting and is painting a misleading picture , for what purpose, I don't know.

I am a very skeptical person, but this place is for real.

[collie1228]

Responding to a troll only encourages him/her. For the record, I love this place and can't think of anywhere in the entire world I would rather spend my retirement. And I don't care a whit whether my house gains in value or not. It's not an investment, it's a house.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Villageshooter

u believed what they told u!? u really drank the koolaide,,, the mooris family will build this place to the shores of lake erie if they think there are more suckers that will pay these outragous prices for homes that shoddy built in no time at all by unskilled labor in a right to work state. if ICE ever showed up on a job site most of the workers would run like rats.
if they stop building it would be like McDonalds saying we have sold enough hamburgers
the line ur were feed is like Limited time only for the McRib!, get real!,

You're right. I don't know why anyone would live here. How much are you asking for your over priced shoddily built house? I know some suckers that might be willing to take it off your hands.

[Moderator]

A reminder, the topic is the proposed expansion of The Villages into Fruitland Park.

Inflammatory posts and responses to them are too numerous to prune out.

Suggest we ignore them and return to topic or we will need to close this thread.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by maddie101

Not in a negative way, but supply and demand. While this is a good thing for Fruitland Park, wouldn't our home values go up faster without 2000 more homes? Everyone who purchased recently was told TV would not be building more and now was the time to jump in...and 4000 more bodies in restaurants, etc. I think 4000 people has to effect us one iota, even if not in a very negative way. It will become part of TV
Of couse we bought of the lifestyle, not to resell... But everyone likes to think their homes have appreciated.

I will still get up every day and do the same things. I will still jump in my golf cart and go over the bridge to go to Publix, the Town Square or a local restaurant. I will still go to the pool and to the rec centers to play pool and participate in my clubs. I'll get in my car when I need to go to Ocala or Leesburg or Disney World.

I see so much negative on this site. So many people worried about so many little things. "My neighbor puts his trash out too early. The people down the road painted their front door green. The developer is going to build more houses". Can't some of you just relax and enjoy this great life that we all have the opportunity to enjoy.

#1) Stop sweating the little things.
#2) They're all little things.

Honestly, I don't know why or how I get drawn into some of these discussions and start my day off with a bunch of negative crap.

[Jayhawk]

[QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;752284]

#1) Stop sweating the little things.
#2) They're all little things.

QUOTE]


BEST. POST. YET.

[RVRoadie]

I can't tell from the articles if this development is an extension of TV, or a new stand alone family housing development. Does anyone know?

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by Mr.Kris

I find a kernel truth in most everything I read on TOTV. While in some cases I would phrase it differently.

The visuals on the relationship between the developer and the VCCDD, for example, could be considered not being an "arms-length transaction." "In their pocket" would be a slightly harsher way of saying the same thing. The IRS termed it that "The Center District has in effect been operated as an alter ego of the Developer."

Whether the term "in their pocket" is inflammatory, or the IRS is a loathed organization, is not the point.

The point is, history has shown that individuals that are affected by these relationships, such as TV residents, are always better served in transparent arms-length transactions. And you should care.

Well, Kris, we don't care. Many of us here are on the "20 year plan" and many of us, less.

I see your agenda, please don't buy in The Villages, you will never be happy here. The are a few posters on TOTV that never should have bought a home here either. Doesn't make them wrong, doesn't make us wrong.

Life is too short for such angst when purchasing your retirement home. There are so many retirement homes in Florida that would meet your criteria and, unfortunately, you're too late to change the mindset of those of us that love it here during our very limited days.

I wish you well in your hunt for a home and to create further angst for your consideration of moving to The Villages, read Lauren Ritche's articles from the O Sentinel. You two would have a lot in common and I think you would realize this is the type of community structure you wouldn't be happy living in.

The rest of us will suffer on....

[mulligan]

It's an extension along 466A to the east of the sarasota driving range area.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by Pturner

It has long fascinated me how people move to trendy, rapidly-growing area and want to close the gate behind them. This phenomenon is not unique to TV, it happens all over the country. Heck, it probably happens all over the developing world.

Original Villagers never dreamed TV would cross 441. Later Villagers didn't envision it crossing 446. Still later, many villagers wrung their hands over the expansion below 446a. Now, true to form, many Villagers both above and below 446a lament the proposed expansion into Fruitland Park.

Me? I welcome the would-be future residents of proposed The Villages of Fruitland Park, along with the new amenities to which we'll all have access.

I think your narrative is faulty. I don't know of anyone who wrung their hands about any of the expansions that were part of the original plan. Perhaps for the VERY early Villagers the expansion was a surprise, but with that expansion came positive things like town centers and the shared amenities grew with the population.

It was always made perfectly clear to future buyers that the expansion would continue until the land owned down to Rt 44 was completed. Anyone who wrung their hands about this has nobody but themselves to blame.

This situation is different. A better analogy is buying into a health club or country club where the sellers tell you that membership will be capped at a certain figure. However, as that maximum number is approached, they decide to sell additional memberships. Would anyone complaining about that be accused of "wanting to close the door on a good thing"?

[Harry Gilbert]

NJBlue you are correct. This situation is different,

This is the assimilation of a neighboring town. TV is not moving into a parcel of land that is unincorporated. they are trying to utilize a portion of a existing town and limit access from that town into TV. and its not likely that the town of FP will remain the same.

Look at the numbers FP, Has 3000 (2010 Census over 18) possible registered voters and if TV moves in with 4000 potential voters then what will happen? FP politicians out and TV backed politicians in. Good thing or Bad? I don't know. But if I were A FP pol I wouldn't commit political suicide and let TV in.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by Harry Gilbert

NJBlue you are correct. This situation is different,

This is the assimilation of a neighboring town. TV is not moving into a parcel of land that is unincorporated. they are trying to utilize a portion of a existing town and limit access from that town into TV. and its not likely that the town of FP will remain the same.

Look at the numbers FP, Has 3000 (2010 Census over 18) possible registered voters and if TV moves in with 4000 potential voters then what will happen? FP politicians out and TV backed politicians in. Good thing or Bad? I don't know. But if I were A FP pol I wouldn't commit political suicide and let TV in.

I think you are raising a completely different issue than what I was talking about. In fact, I don't think the Fruitland Park addition breaks any new ground. It is my understanding (I could be wrong) that Brownwood and its surrounding land is part of the incorporated part of Wildwood. Certainly the Lady Lake part of TV has long established this precedent.

But, as long as you raise this topic, it will be interesting to see how FP votes on this. I don't know the current politics of FP to know whether the current elected officials might be at odds with the very large segments of new voters. If, for example, they are very liberal, then the typically conservative voting block of Villagers may indeed sweep them out of office. However, if they are conservative, they could be giving themselves job security for life by adding another 4,000 people who tend to be conservative.

If I were a parent or current resident in FP, however, I may be very inclined to want 4,000 new taxpayers who do not put any additional demand on the schools but will provide sufficient taxes to upgrade all of the existing school and recreational facilities ... and provide more jobs to boot. I don't know how many people who have this type of thinking there are in FP versus those who don't want any change or outside influence. If the former outnumber the latter, it may be political suicide to NOT let TV in.

[Harry Gilbert]

Yes our two scenarios were completely different, I was borrowing "The situation is different" part of your statement.

I hadn't considered the political affiliation aspect, I was thinking more on the lines of age related issues. FP is a younger population and their needs are/will be different from the typical TV resident. I was thinking 5 years down the road when it comes time to build new schools or replace infrastructure in the non TV areas will the new voting block have the attitude that it's your problem not ours and we don't want OUR taxes raised and block any new funding for the existing town.

Just read some of the posts on this board and you can see where that feeling comes from

Lady Lake is a much larger town with only a small % of that TV and they've learned to live together. Wildwood is on par with FP but they don't allow golf carts on their streets (?) I don't remember seeing anything about any acrimony involving Wildwood. But a major issue was raised about FP having cart access into TV and that may be a stumbling block for the residents of FP. And to an outsider it comes across as we're moving in, we can(will) take over and you stay out of OUR area.

[Mr.Kris]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Well, Kris, we don't care. Many of us here are on the "20 year plan" and many of us, less.

I see your agenda, please don't buy in The Villages, you will never be happy here. The are a few posters on TOTV that never should have bought a home here either. Doesn't make them wrong, doesn't make us wrong.

Life is too short for such angst when purchasing your retirement home. There are so many retirement homes in Florida that would meet your criteria and, unfortunately, you're too late to change the mindset of those of us that love it here during our very limited days.

I wish you well in your hunt for a home and to create further angst for your consideration of moving to The Villages, read Lauren Ritche's articles from the O Sentinel. You two would have a lot in common and I think you would realize this is the type of community structure you wouldn't be happy living in.

The rest of us will suffer on....

Pardon me if I don't take your advice or take your comments personally.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by NJblue

I think your narrative is faulty. I don't know of anyone who wrung their hands about any of the expansions that were part of the original plan. Perhaps for the VERY early Villagers the expansion was a surprise, but with that expansion came positive things like town centers and the shared amenities grew with the population.

It was always made perfectly clear to future buyers that the expansion would continue until the land owned down to Rt 44 was completed. Anyone who wrung their hands about this has nobody but themselves to blame.

This situation is different. A better analogy is buying into a health club or country club where the sellers tell you that membership will be capped at a certain figure. However, as that maximum number is approached, they decide to sell additional memberships. Would anyone complaining about that be accused of "wanting to close the door on a good thing"?

I have been as involved and as interested as any here and NO ONE told me what the ultimate plan was....a lot of villagers repeated a lot of stuff like it was gospel, but from the developer or his aides and assigns not a syllable.