[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Back in around 2000 the Recreation Center on the Historical side of the Villages had serious problems, e.g mice in the ceiling, decaying structure. When the residents asked the Developer to fix the problem he said they had no money to do it and that the Develope/Org. had not put reserve funds aside for crisis like these. Up until that time the POA was recognized by the Developer and no problems. However when the POA tried to get the Developer to change his mind he resisted so they brought suit against him. They won and were awarded $40 Million. After that the Developer was against the POA and formed what is now the HOA or "Home Owners Association". The POA is the "Property Owners Association" Thus the HOA is a platform used by the
Developer and the POA watches out for the residents while the HOA has a ose attachment to the Developer and his actions. To illustrate how dedicated the Board of POA is they put their own money for the lay suit and fix the Historical Redc Center. That was a significant risk on their part.

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Thanks for the 'facts.'

[Polar Bear]

The most important thing for a person with power and authority to do is to please EVERYBODY!!

Yeah right. If they're really doing their job, ain't never gonna happen.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Back around 2000 the Recreation Center on the Historical side of the Villages had serious problems, e.g mice in the ceiling, decaying structure. When the residents asked the Developer to fix the problem he said they had no money to do it and that the Develope/Org. had not put reserve funds aside for crisis like these. Up until that time the POA was recognized by the Developer and no problems. However when the POA tried to get the Developer to change his mind he resisted so they brought suit against him. They won and were awarded $40 Million. After that the Developer was against the POA and formed what is now the HOA or "Home Owners Association". The POA is the "Property Owners Association" Thus the HOA is a platform used by the Developer and the POA watches out for the residents while the HOA has a close attachment to the Developer and his actions. To illustrate how dedicated the Board of POA is they put their own money up for the layw suit and to fix the Historical Redc Center. That was a significant risk on their part.

We owned here when the suit was brought in 2008 and we didn't see any lack of caring for the rec centers. We lived just behind Odell and every year every outside facility was painted, The shuffleboard courts, the bocce courts, the picnic gazebo was painted every year and the stone wall was power washed. We went frequently to other rec centers and saw no lack of care. No rats, no mold, no decay that I ever saw at the other, older rec centers when we went to play Bingo at Paradise rec center and others.

I have my views on this subject. There are people who live here who see the developer as an enemy because of the family's huge financial success. The Morse family used their own money each time to invest in expansion. They RISKED their own money.

Some people are just plain jealous of the Morses.

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Back around 2000 the Recreation Center on the Historical side of the Villages had serious problems, e.g mice in the ceiling, decaying structure. When the residents asked the Developer to fix the problem he said they had no money to do it and that the Develope/Org. had not put reserve funds aside for crisis like these. Up until that time the POA was recognized by the Developer and no problems. However when the POA tried to get the Developer to change his mind he resisted so they brought suit against him. They won and were awarded $40 Million. After that the Developer was against the POA and formed what is now the HOA or "Home Owners Association". The POA is the "Property Owners Association" Thus the HOA is a platform used by the Developer and the POA watches out for the residents while the HOA has a close attachment to the Developer and his actions. To illustrate how dedicated the Board of POA is they put their own money up for the layw suit and to fix the Historical Redc Center. That was a significant risk on their part.

We have not had a good discussion about the merits of the POA vs the VHA in a while. I suggest if one wants to do this start a new topic. However, the poster is correct that the VHA has a better relationship with the developers. The poster is incorrect when the VHA was formed. It was started in 1991, long before the POA. Now if one wishes to extroll the virtues of one over the other, bring it on. Both serve the residents of TV albeit by different methods.

[PennBF]

The note that was sent was to explain the POA and not an attack on the Developer. Also how the HOA is a voice of the Developer and why it was formed.. It is unfair to those that risked their own funds to support the residents on the Historical side to downplay the problems they faced. The court did not award $40 million because there was no problem or neglect. The residents should be happy that an organization like the POA exists since that is the only watch dog they have that is not basis but objective

[Bonny]

Originally Posted by PennBF

The note that was sent was to explain the POA and not an attack on the Developer. Also how the HOA is a voice of the Developer and why it was formed.. It is unfair to those that risked their own funds to support the residents on the Historical side to downplay the problems they faced. The court did not award $40 million because there was no problem or neglect. The residents should be happy that an organization like the POA exists since that is the only watch dog they have that is not basis but objective

Just FYI, it's the VHA not HOA. Villages Homeowners Association.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by PennBF

The note that was sent was to explain the POA and not an attack on the Developer. Also how the HOA is a voice of the Developer and why it was formed.. It is unfair to those that risked their own funds to support the residents on the Historical side to downplay the problems they faced. The court did not award $40 million because there was no problem or neglect. The residents should be happy that an organization like the POA exists since that is the only watch dog they have that is not basis but objective

In a nutshell, the VHA protects the interests of the developer...and the POA protects the interests of the residents.

It's up to everyone to decide who they believe needs the most advocacy...and which they prefer to support.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

We owned here when the suit was brought in 2008 and we didn't see any lack of caring for the rec centers. We lived just behind Odell and every year every outside facility was painted, The shuffleboard courts, the bocce courts, the picnic gazebo was painted every year and the stone wall was power washed. We went frequently to other rec centers and saw no lack of care. No rats, no mold, no decay that I ever saw at the other, older rec centers when we went to play Bingo at Paradise rec center and others.

I have my views on this subject. There are people who live here who see the developer as an enemy because of the family's huge financial success. The Morse family used their own money each time to invest in expansion. They RISKED their own money.

Some people are just plain jealous of the Morses.

Of course the rec centers you saw in 2008 looked great, they were fairly new. The problem as stated above was on the historic side with rec centers that were several years old and showing signs of deterioration. Residents believed that funds were to be set aside for repair and refurbishment only to be told there were insufficient funds to do this. Thus the suit. From all I've read, Gary Morse did agree that things were not done that should have been.

[PennBF]

I was not going to write any more on this BUT can't let it stand that VHA was founded before POA. That is absolutely wrong!! The VHA was an outgrowth of the POA going against the Developer to force the repair and replacements for the Historical side needs..

[Bonny]

FYI.....
The POA was founded in 1975. The VHA was founded in 1990.
We joined the VHA in 1999 and got the Lifetime Membership.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Mikeod

Of course the rec centers you saw in 2008 looked great, they were fairly new. The problem as stated above was on the historic side with rec centers that were several years old and showing signs of deterioration. Residents believed that funds were to be set aside for repair and refurbishment only to be told there were insufficient funds to do this. Thus the suit. From all I've read, Gary Morse did agree that things were not done that should have been.

I mentioned we went to Paradise to play Bingo.

[Allegiance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I mentioned we went to Paradise to play Bingo.

Rough neighborhood [emoji6]

[PennBF]

I am just wondering why, in some case there is a push to get this thread shut down? There are 18 pages addressing the subject which demonstrates a pretty broad interest. It is simple that if you don't appreciate the subject to just move on and not read. The real question is what would drive someone to try to stop others from discussing a subject??

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[Rapscallion St Croix]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I am just wondering why, in some case there is a push to get this thread shut down? There are 18 pages addressing the subject which demonstrates a pretty broad interest. It is simple that if you don't appreciate the subject to just move on and not read. The real question is what would drive someone to try to stop others from discussing a subject??

When dogmas collide, tedious, pointless, impractical, arguments ensue. The arguments evolve into contradictions. No minds get changed.