[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I predict there will be more shootings (and a lot of excuses) but my crystal ball doesn't work very well. It would be nice if you are right. We shall see.

The (somewhat limited) data says otherwise...

CDC Data Shows Constitutional Carry States Have Fewer Total and Gun-Related Homicides - The Truth About Guns

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

The (somewhat limited) data says otherwise...

CDC Data Shows Constitutional Carry States Have Fewer Total and Gun-Related Homicides - The Truth About Guns

I was thinking of an increase after the law takes effect, not whether the state stays near the national average. But the article does provide good information.

And, I should clarify that the increase I predict (but hope will not happen) would be above any ongoing trend.

[Life as I know it]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Governor Pillen is FROM NEBRASKA what’s that go to do with Florida.
Getting back to Florida it’s a slap in the face to everyone signing a new law in Florida okaying concealed carry without permit. Not signing in public but closed meeting!

Can you imagine sitting at the square next to someone that is drinking or drunk with a weapon in their pocket? I think we have a serious control problem in Florida.

[Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Governor Pillen is FROM NEBRASKA what’s that go to do with Florida.
Getting back to Florida it’s a slap in the face to everyone signing a new law in Florida okaying concealed carry without permit. Not signing in public but closed meeting!

So you need a law to exercise your first amendment rights?

Of course not. So why do you need a law to exercise your second amendment rights?

[jimschlaefer]

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed

Uneducated Question: understand that there is no need for a concealed carry permit BUT Is a background check still needed before the actual sale/delivery of the weapon? If so felons (etc) would be caught at that point. NO???

Yes. The rules of purchase have not changed. The law is all about carry.

[bark4me]

Originally Posted by Golfer222

Anybody know the reason for some flags in Lady Lake being flown at half staff?

Because of The latest school shooting!

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Life as I know it

Can you imagine sitting at the square next to someone that is drinking or drunk with a weapon in their pocket? I think we have a serious control problem in Florida.

This is just one more good example of the faulty logic of the anti-2nd amendment movement.

1. Florida law 790.151 prohibits carrying a firearm while under the influence of an alcoholic beverage.
2. If someone would break the law and carry while drinking when no permit is required, they would break the law and carry with a permit.
3. You could argue, but no one is going to check or enforce that.
4. But they will not enforce it any less than if there was a requirement to have a permit
5. If it is concealed (Florida Law) then how does it possibly hurt you, you wouldn't even know it was there. You would only know it was there if they were drinking and pulled the gun out. Then the problem is not that they are carrrying concealed, but that they are brandishing a firearm which is already illegal.

The point has no merit whatsoever.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Foxtrot

So you need a law to exercise your first amendment rights?

Of course not. So why do you need a law to exercise your second amendment rights?

Because bullets do not come out of loud mouths, internet trolls and the like. There are many limitations on Free Speech though. You could not yell "He has a gun" on a Villages' Square and not expect serious consequences for doing so.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by allsport

Doesn't appear so and now we have no permit concealed weapons, really a stage for more shootings.

I just can't wrap my head around people's thoughts some times.
Are you thinking that what is preventing people from shooting others is that they are applying for a permit and getting denied, or they know they won't be approved and so they don't even apply and then say, I have access to a gun, and I want to kill someone, but darn, I don't have a permit to carry so I will just deal with my anger in another way?
really? Really? REALLY?

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Because bullets do not come out of loud mouths, internet trolls and the like. There are many limitations on Free Speech though. You could not yell "He has a gun" on a Villages' Square and not expect serious consequences for doing so.

And bullets do not come out of the guns of law abiding citizens unless it is in self defense. The thought that a person would commit murder if they could just get past that pesky permit issue is so ludicrous that it makes anything else said hard to even bother with.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

And bullets do not come out of the guns of law abiding citizens unless it is in self defense. The thought that a person would commit murder if they could just get past that pesky permit issue is so ludicrous that it makes anything else said hard to even bother with.

Tell that to many school, university and other shooting victims. I believe many of these shooters had gun permits. Stephen Paddock - Wikipedia

The Las Vegas shooter's road to 47 guns | CNN

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

This is just one more good example of the faulty logic of the anti-2nd amendment movement.

1. Florida law 790.151 prohibits carrying a firearm while under the influence of an alcoholic beverage.
2. If someone would break the law and carry while drinking when no permit is required, they would break the law and carry with a permit.
3. You could argue, but no one is going to check or enforce that.
4. But they will not enforce it any less than if there was a requirement to have a permit
5. If it is concealed (Florida Law) then how does it possibly hurt you, you wouldn't even know it was there. You would only know it was there if they were drinking and pulled the gun out. Then the problem is not that they are carrrying concealed, but that they are brandishing a firearm which is already illegal.

The point has no merit whatsoever.

You should read 790.151 more carefully. Concealed carry while under the influence is not prohibited by that statute.

Regardless of the statute, your response misses the point. We require some level of training before allowing someone to pilot a vehicle on our roadways - a device that when used as intended will cause no one any harm. Permitless carry will now allow someone to carry a handgun in public with no training - a device that when used as intended will end someone's life.

We have a serious problem in America with lack of self control. Lack of self control plus lack of training plus loaded weapons is a really frightening mix.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Tell that to many school, university and other shooting victims. I believe many of these shooters had gun permits. Stephen Paddock - Wikipedia

The Las Vegas shooter's road to 47 guns | CNN

I believe you missed the point. Somehow, the flag at half staff discussion got turned into gun control discussion. People asserted that no longer requiring a permit would lead to more shootings. My point is that illegal shootings are not stopped by requiring a permit to carry. If someone is going to commit a crime as serious as shooting someone, they are not going to be deterred by the fact that they have no permit. Your point proved my point. Even with forcing someone to get a permit, if someone wants to commit a heinous crime, they will.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

To add, the 12 month period ending June 30 '22 there were 7000 permit applicant that were denied a permit. Be careful out there they will be carrying on July 1!

So are you saying that if the 7,000 permits that were rejected applied again July 1st, they would be approved and a gun sold to them? I want to be sure I understand.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by coconutmama

No. Not to mention people with mental issues.

Hi. I am pretty sure you are spreading false information. Are you saying that with Constitutional carry, no background ck will be run prior to selling a handgun?