[Rainger99]

After Irma, did any people who didn't have flood insurance buy flood insurance? And did any people who had flood insurance, discontinue it?

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Just a few posts down. Check out the video posted by twoplanekid.
Water Management System

interesting and typical, however it's old information. Having worked with civil engineeers for many years this video now describes a system that is actually minimal to possibly undersized. 100 year storms come and go and are becoming more of the norm. Systems typically were designed to 100 yr plus 20% just to cover, however just the fact that there is standing water on golf courses for weeks and they drain them by using sprinklers which further add to the issues (somewhat circular system).

Most of the issues for the older sections is this isn't a permanent solution, it is supposed to be modified and most engineers that I have worked with have that worked into the plan. I don't see that here, nor do I see it as enough for the amount of land that it covers. Considering the volumes I am seeing just prior to Ian - this is a ok solution but it's definitely nothing to be proud of. I've seen far better in this state. I am also glad we didn't get the Ian test on it because y'all be really lighting up the CDD phone lines. I won't hold, but what is that statement I've recently read? oh yes the developer is a billionaire he must be smarter than us...... well it's not showing on the water management especially for the cost we all pay for this thing.

[mkjelenbaas]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

I have always heard and read about how The Villages has a great flood control system where, in the event of a hurricane, they can flood the golf courses and save the houses.

Does anyone know the specifics on this? How much rain can they handle before they are overwhelmed? Would they have been able to handle the 18-24 inches that were forecast? Or would many homes have been flooded?

Did you call the respective district office ? Why not get info that may be a bit more accurate versus setting here and reading all the guess work from people probably don’t have reliable info!

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

interesting and typical, however it's old information. Having worked with civil engineeers for many years this video now describes a system that is actually minimal to possibly undersized. 100 year storms come and go and are becoming more of the norm. Systems typically were designed to 100 yr plus 20% just to cover, however just the fact that there is standing water on golf courses for weeks and they drain them by using sprinklers which further add to the issues (somewhat circular system).

Most of the issues for the older sections is this isn't a permanent solution, it is supposed to be modified and most engineers that I have worked with have that worked into the plan. I don't see that here, nor do I see it as enough for the amount of land that it covers. Considering the volumes I am seeing just prior to Ian - this is a ok solution but it's definitely nothing to be proud of. I've seen far better in this state. I am also glad we didn't get the Ian test on it because y'all be really lighting up the CDD phone lines. I won't hold, but what is that statement I've recently read? oh yes the developer is a billionaire he must be smarter than us...... well it's not showing on the water management especially for the cost we all pay for this thing.

If people are really interested in this issue and feel that their ideas are correct, I encourage them to please take the time to attend a NSCUDD or other CDD meeting to then discuss your thoughts with people who can make changes if needed.

[Bay Kid]

So much thought goes into designing The Villages.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I handled Flood Claims for over 20 years and I can tell you had Hurricane Ian made landfall in Tampa lots of people living in the Villages would have had water in their home. No area can handle 24 inches of rain. All the homes are on a slab and not elevated.
The ponds would over flow and there would be massive street flooding. Our home is the highest on the street in the front but the back is a different story and if you have a pool it would overflow as well. I would suggest that if you live on a pond you might want to consider flood insurance and also if your street or yard has ever flooded in a heavy rain. The maximum coverage on the dwelling is $250k and on contents it is $100k. That should pretty much cover any damage that you might receive. Flood Insurance is a government program and the cost is the same no matter if you buy it from NFIP or from a carrier like Allstate, State Farm, USAA etc. The cost is based on your Flood Zone and your Elevation. You can obtain both from FEMA or your agent.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

I handled Flood Claims for over 20 years and I can tell you had Hurricane Ian made landfall in Tampa lots of people living in the Villages would have had water in their home. No area can handle 24 inches of rain. All the homes are on a slab and not elevated.
The ponds would over flow and there would be massive street flooding. Our home is the highest on the street in the front but the back is a different story and if you have a pool it would overflow as well. I would suggest that if you live on a pond you might want to consider flood insurance and also if your street or yard has ever flooded in a heavy rain. The maximum coverage on the dwelling is $250k and on contents it is $100k. That should pretty much cover any damage that you might receive. Flood Insurance is a government program and the cost is the same no matter if you buy it from NFIP or from a carrier like Allstate, State Farm, USAA etc. The cost is based on your Flood Zone and your Elevation. You can obtain both from FEMA or your agent.

Thanks to you and Midwiz for confirming my gut feel we were at signification risk of flooding if Irma hit Tampa.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

If people are really interested in this issue and feel that their ideas are correct, I encourage them to please take the time to attend a NSCUDD or other CDD meeting to then discuss your thoughts with people who can make changes if needed.

The question I would ask is what is the maximum amoint of rain in 24 hrs before we would see flooding in the streets backing up to start entering homes.

[tvbound]

The engineering for the water management system in most of TV is well-designed, fantastic and cutting edge, but there is a point where nothing can/will make a difference under a "perfect storm" scenario. Let's just hope we never have to experience - what that point is.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

I handled Flood Claims for over 20 years and I can tell you had Hurricane Ian made landfall in Tampa lots of people living in the Villages would have had water in their home. No area can handle 24 inches of rain. All the homes are on a slab and not elevated.
The ponds would over flow and there would be massive street flooding. Our home is the highest on the street in the front but the back is a different story and if you have a pool it would overflow as well. I would suggest that if you live on a pond you might want to consider flood insurance and also if your street or yard has ever flooded in a heavy rain. The maximum coverage on the dwelling is $250k and on contents it is $100k. That should pretty much cover any damage that you might receive. Flood Insurance is a government program and the cost is the same no matter if you buy it from NFIP or from a carrier like Allstate, State Farm, USAA etc. The cost is based on your Flood Zone and your Elevation. You can obtain both from FEMA or your agent.

Did Ian drop 24" of rain anywhere? If Irma dropped 15" on the Villages then that was about as much rain reported for Ian anywhere in Florida.

My slab sits about 4" above the surrounding ground. I don't have any higher ground around me and the street is a couple of feet lower. I didn't have flood issues during Irma so I don't think I have a strong need for flood insurance at this time. Homes on ponds or on the bottom end of hillsides or on otherwise lower ground have different considerations.

I've seen concerns about pools before but don't understand. If it rains hard enough and long enough to fill my pool then eventually it will overflow onto my deck. On the other hand, if I didn't have a pool then all that water would have fallen on my deck in the first place. It seems the pool helps a little while it is filling but once it is filled it is no worse than having no pool at all.

I don't know that I need it but on the other hand, the cost for flood insurance for homes not in a flood plane is pretty low. It's a cheap way to get a little peace of mind.

[Altavia]

The 18" for Irma seems overstated, Leeburg reported 7.96"


Hurricane Irma: Rainfall & Flooding | Hurricane Irma

Here are some of the rainfall totals from Hurricane Irma across several locations in the Southeast U.S.:

Jacksonville: 10.01"
Gainesville: 12.94"
Orlando: 7.75"
Tampa: 4.58"
Fort Myers: 11.82"
Miami: 6.96"

Ian reports exceeded 16"

Hurricane Ian: Highest rainfall totals from across Florida | WKBN.com

Seminole County Recorded Rainfall

Location Recorded Rainfall (inches)
2 ESE Lake Mary 16.14″
2.2 W Oviedo 15.13″
Winter Springs 15.11″
Sanford Orlando Airport 15.00″
2.1 N Oviedo 14.96″
0.6 S Winter Springs 14.75″
2 ENE Goldenrod 14.46″
2.3 E Winter Springs 14.33″
1 NE Sanford 14.13″
.9 Chuluota 14.09″
Sanford 13.81″

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Altavia

The 18" for Irma seems overstated, Leeburg reported 7.96"


...

My error.

"12 to 15 inches of rainfall in about 18 hours" (slide in post #43 taken from a Villages presentation)

So Irma and Ian were comparable with Ian likely dropping a little (1") more.

[Rainger99]

What happens if The Villages loses power? Does the flood control system work without power?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

What happens if The Villages loses power? Does the flood control system work without power?

One would think they have generator back-ups...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

What happens if The Villages loses power? Does the flood control system work without power?

That was my concern but I figure that the system must work on generators if the power goes out. What good is having a system to ward off flooding if the pumps don't work? I hope I'm right on my gut feeling but certainly do not know the answer to that question for sure.