[It's Hot There]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Good! Let women and their doctors decide what health care is needed. Get government out of health care decisions. Stop government sanctioned religious zealots from subjugating women to their will. Freedom of choice (for all freedom lovers) should be extended to health care.

Science, not religion............a heartbeat begins and so does the slippery slope.

[It's Hot There]

Originally Posted by dougjb

(a) Marijuana usage does not affect driving capability. This is an urban legend promoted by sheriffs so that they can keep their "bust" records high enough to justify the little work that the police do.

(b) Besides, anyone who thinks marijuana use is not already rampant has stuck their head in the sand. Too many of our youth have been arrested for marijuana possession which has broad ramifications for their ability to get a job or enter a profession.

(a) (HealthDay News) - In 4 out of 7 states that legalized recreational cannabis, deaths from car crashes rose 10%, according to the University of Illinois Chicago study. On a brighter note, suicide and opioid overdose deaths declined in the states that legalized recreational marijuana.

(b) Good logic to legalize. Let's legalize all "rampant" crimes.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by It's Hot There

Science, not religion............a heartbeat begins and so does the slippery slope.

"Slippery slope", my aunt sadie! We were in the situation. Had we been living here now, I would have lost both my wife and child. Child had problems that affected wife and would kill her. No time play regulatory games. Emergency time. Doctors delivered baby early. Wife healed and we could try again. Baby survived 48 hrs. Doctor and wife made the decision and I support that. Just because you detect a heartbeat does not guarantee healthy/viable offspring. All talk about the supposed "slippery slope" is fear mongering at it's worst. Stay out of others personal and heart breaking medical decisions! Keep government hands off of medical decisions. Nobody takes Abortion lightly!

[It's Hot There]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

"Slippery slope", my aunt sadie! We were in the situation. Had we been living here now, I would have lost both my wife and child. Child had problems that affected wife and would kill her. No time play regulatory games. Emergency time. Doctors delivered baby early. Wife healed and we could try again. Baby survived 48 hrs. Doctor and wife made the decision and I support that. Just because you detect a heartbeat does not guarantee healthy/viable offspring. All talk about the supposed "slippery slope" is fear mongering at it's worst. Stay out of others personal and heart breaking medical decisions! Keep government hands off of medical decisions. Nobody takes Abortion lightly!

If true, no one is talking about this.
This is fringe stuff.
Come on.

[Pballer]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

There we go.............finally got around to the topic of legalizing murder.

There we go. The self righteous trying to push their religious beliefs on everyone. Kind of like the Christian Taliban.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Pballer

There we go. The self righteous trying to push their religious beliefs on everyone. Kind of like the Christian Taliban.

Like Hot said, Science, not religion

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by It's Hot There

If true, no one is talking about this.
This is fringe stuff.
Come on.

100% true.
Lots of people are talking about this issue. Just because you don't hear doesn't mean they're not talking.
Fringe stuff? Anything else you can say to diminish other people's feelings who have to deal with difficult and emotional life and death decisions?
"Come on"? I sense a complete lack of empathy and understanding on your part.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Like Hot said, Science, not religion

Abuse of science through religious dogma.

I'm editing because just repeating " science, not religion " doesn't really define your position on this issue.

[It's Hot There]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

100% true.
Lots of people are talking about this issue. Just because you don't hear doesn't mean they're not talking.
Fringe stuff? Anything else you can say to diminish other people's feelings who have to deal with difficult and emotional life and death decisions?
"Come on"? I sense a complete lack of empathy and understanding on your part.

You missed the point........totally.

No one is talking about this...........risk to mother's life.
People try to pass general laws for the understandable exceptions....the fringes.
Poor senses.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

I am guessing that half of the Voters in Florida go to the Booth having little knowledge of the Amendment process.

1 The amendments are for a change in the Florida State Constitution.
2 It takes a 60 % affirmative to make the change effective.
3 Who proposed the submittal of the Amendment for vote

The change to the constitution can negate the existing laws by superseding them.

New laws cannot override the constitution.

Given the above, are you ready to vote yes.

As an example, there are current laws against drugs. Amendment 3 wants to legalize Marijuana for more than medical uses.

Comments say that can provide an opportunity for new tax revenue, elimination of bad Marijuana etc.

My question is how I do as an elector get any benefit. Do I want a contractor coming to the house with a Marijuana high? What rights do I have if I suspect he is under the influence, but it is legal. Is my auto mechanic high? Can I get money back if they are not performing correctly. Is there a legal limit or test that would apply to users and responsibility. I know that some would say that the same applies to alcoholics. Well two wrongs don't make a right.

There is no current reason to pass this amendment without knowing how the above will be protected.

Quite frankly, all of the amendments have this flaw. They are special interest solutions to problems not well thought out. Why should we enshrine them in our constitution?

There are already existing laws about driving while "under the influence." If you have a valid, legal prescription for a prescribed pain medicine, to treat pain following surgery - and you take it AS PRESCRIBED - and then start driving, and cause an accident, you will be charged with "driving under the influence."

The legality of the substance is irrelevant. What matters is that the substance affected your ability to drive.

Companies are allowed to impose restrictions on their employees with regards to working under the influence. They can drug test employees at any time after they're hired. They can say "what you do on your own time is your own business but don't be drinking/smoking/edibling/shooting up/swallowing mind-altering substances on the clock. Full stop. Grounds for termination."

Those restrictions are ALREADY in place, there are no proposals to change them.

Drinking alcohol is legal if you're 21 years old or older. But you still can't be drinking on the job in MOST places of employment. The fact that alcohol is legal doesn't change that fact.

And it won't change that fact if cannabis becomes legal.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

Just go to the Denver area to see how legal weed is working out. If you think there are a lot of bad drivers here now, wait till they start driving stoned.

Denver'''s Marijuana Revenue Drops 34%, But Cannabis Crime Rates Remain Low - Benzinga

Marijuana-related crime constituted a mere 0.2% of total crime in 2023, a figure that the Denver Excise and Licenses spokesperson Eric Escudero pointed out as evidence of the city's effective regulation.

As I said up-thread: "driving under the influence" is still against the law, whether the substance influencing you is legal or illegal.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by JRcorvette

Of more importance is proposition 4 which is Abortion rights. If you see the ads on TV they are Not telling you the entire story in fact they are lying to you. If you vote Yes you are opening up the State of Florida to become an Abortion vacation getaway destination. I believe that Florida needs to change the Law and not their Constitution. Six weeks is way too short of a time period. It is actually stupid and I don’t know who came up with that six week law. Let’s petition our legislators to make a common sense Law and keep our Constitution in tact!

Men came up with it.

Men always come up with laws that restrict a woman's right to her body. There are some women who support these men, but it's the men who demand these restrictions and propose the laws.

You stay out of my womb, and I'll stay out of your nads. Deal?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by It's Hot There

You missed the point........totally.

No one is talking about this...........risk to mother's life.
People try to pass general laws for the understandable exceptions....the fringes.
Poor senses.

I got your point. Risk to the mother is a major portion of the argument. A woman died not long ago because se was banned from getting an abortion. Maybe you missed it. Some "news" outlets don't like to print/transmit information deemed counterproductive to the cause. Life and death issues are hardly "fring" in my world.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by dougjb

Marijuana usage does not affect driving capability. This is an urban legend promoted by sheriffs so that they can keep their "bust" records high enough to justify the little work that the police do.

Besides, anyone who thinks marijuana use is not already rampant has stuck their head in the sand. Too many of our youth have been arrested for marijuana possession which has broad ramifications for their ability to get a job or enter a profession.

A great majority of our prison population consists of non-violent drug possession cases.Do you really want to continue to have your taxes keep going up so that these "offenders" are off the streets...while so many other "offenders" are using? That makes no sense. We have the largest prison population in the world. It is time to start sorting out the truly dangerous from those whom society simply wants to look down upon.

"X does not do Y" is an absolute statement, and it is inaccurate, misleading, and disingenuous.

Rather, try "the likelihood of X doing Y is lower compared to the likelihood of Z doing Y" instead.

Being stoned can ABSOLUTELY impair your driving. Does it always? Nope. But some folks (like myself) can't drive while stoned. I get dizzy, I have trouble focusing, and bright light (like the sun, or high-beams on an oncoming vehicle) make it difficult for me to see anything in front of me. You would not want me on the road if I was stoned. I know I'm not the only one. It also affects your reflexes. Get a bunch of stoned old people driving in rush-hour traffic on 441 and enjoy the carnage.

But that's why it's illegal to drive while impaired.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by orangeblossombaby

men came up with it.

Men always come up with laws that restrict a woman's right to her body. There are some women who support these men, but it's the men who demand these restrictions and propose the laws.

You stay out of my womb, and i'll stay out of your nads. Deal?

deal! 😃😄😉