[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Rags123

I am not at all sure what this has remotely to do with the issue at hand. Could you enlighten, at least me, because the relativity escapes me totally !

One, a development with ABSOLUTELY NO RELATIONSHIP to The Villages, and in fact a long time so called "option" to The Villages....the other, a adjunct to The Villages, built by The Villages for a specific purpose which is Villages related.

I would love to hear more on this theory !

The theory is that people are outraged that Stonecresters might be using the golf cart paths without paying the monthly amenity fee, but when the developer provides these same amenities without an amenity fee to others, there is only silence. Where is the outrage over the hypocrisy?

[Cisco Kid]

The buildout is coming
The buildout is coming
The buildout is coming

This stuff is only going to get worse.

No homes will be left.

I don't want to be a Stoner.

Someone hold a house for me.

[Steve9930]

Here we go again but before all the Villages try and burn the witches of Stonecrest there is one thing you better take into account. Stonecrest takes care of the storm water for the historic side that butts up against Stonecrest property. That's right we handle your storm water so you did not have to spend a large sum of money because what you had was not adequate. We do that for you because you are our neighbors and were in need and we don't charge you a dime, not one red cent. We took responsibility when you needed something and we pay for it! Now I could careless whether I have access via golf cart to the Commercial Section of the Villages. I personally believe the Golf Cart Bridge is more dangerous then crossing 441/27 with a Golf Cart. If I want to use a Golf Cart Style Vehicle to access the shopping and restaurants then it is fairly cheep to do so and more convenient then trying to get across the bridge. The smartest thing The Villages could do is sell access to the paths and that way get some revenue to help pay for the maintenance. This approach satisfies both parties. Those that need access get it and the Villager's get revenue and maintain control over the access. Throwing stones at each other is only going to widen the gap between the communities. Also by the way since we have the only lighted pickle ball courts in the area it is not uncommon for Villager's to be playing there in the hot summer evening nights.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by baustgen

Simple solution. Issue a gate card to anyone who wants to pay $ 147.00 per month. Only good for the gate. Not for access to pools or golf.

Then they get access to everything at $147/MO.

[Cisco Kid]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Here we go again but before all the Villages try and burn the witches of Stonecrest there is one thing you better take into account. Stonecrest takes care of the storm water for the historic side that butts up against Stonecrest property. That's right we handle your storm water so you did not have to spend a large sum of money because what you had was not adequate. We do that for you because you are our neighbors and were in need and we don't charge you a dime, not one red cent. We took responsibility when you needed something and we pay for it! Now I could careless whether I have access via golf cart to the Commercial Section of the Villages. I personally believe the Golf Cart Bridge is more dangerous then crossing 441/27 with a Golf Cart. If I want to use a Golf Cart Style Vehicle to access the shopping and restaurants then it is fairly cheep to do so and more convenient then trying to get across the bridge. The smartest thing The Villages could do is sell access to the paths and that way get some revenue to help pay for the maintenance. This approach satisfies both parties. Those that need access get it and the Villager's get revenue and maintain control over the access. Throwing stones at each other is only going to widen the gap between the communities. Also by the way since we have the only lighted pickle ball courts in the area it is not uncommon for Villager's to be playing there in the hot summer evening nights.

Thank you for the water control.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Indy-Guy

My opinion

This all goes back to The Villages purchase of the Dairy Farm in Fruitland Park. Fruitland Park is a town that allows golf carts and I believe it was Mr Lester who told the Fruitland Commission that there was no way there would be access by Fruitland Park residents in golf cart to The Villages. This meeting was before the Dairy Farm was a done deal and The Villages only had an option to purchase. Mr Lester told the Fruitland Park commission that this was a deal breaker and not open for negotiation. There are now 2,000 homes to be built on the Dairy Farm property. With this investment now going full steam ahead I believe Mr Lester believes it is still not open for negotiation.

A couple of months or so before that meeting was when the wall went up cutting off Stone Crest. I don't think that is a coincidence. Mr Lester would have had a hard time telling the Fruitland Park Commission they could no golf cart access while Stone Crest is allowed into Villages.

Now that the Fruitland Park part of The Villages is now going full speed ahead The Villages will do everything and I do mean everything it can do to keep this the way it is set up at this time.

This is only my opinion.

Bullseye!!!!

[justjim]

Stonecresters would like to access TV in a regular golf cart. This issue when you look at it objectively is about $$$$$$$.

If you live in Stonecrest you can already access TV with a Street Legal Golf Cart. However, they cost more and insurance is $50 - $60 a month. Regular golf cart insurance currently is less than $10 a month. Go figure. Still a Street Legal is a lot cheaper than what Villagers pay -----if you are going to dance, somebody has to pay the fiddler!

Using Veteran's is nothing but a smokescreen. And a shame. Bizarre doesn't even do this justice.

Neighbor vs. Neighbor doesn't usually have a good outcome no matter the issue.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

Thank you for the water control.

Your welcome. I don't know every detail but the cost to fix it was probably really large and I'm not sure there was enough land to even fix it. So our storm water pond was expanded and yours now flows over into ours. Glad we could be of assistance. We may live in different developments but we are all Floridians.

[TheVillageChicken]

Originally Posted by Cajulian

VillageChicken, you are hilarious! Stonecresters already have access to all the Chairs in the Squares! They drive to the Squares in Truckloads!

Hurry, let's all go and make sure no one else gets any Chairs! We can surround all the Squares in our "Covered Wagons"! We will have All the Chairs to ourselves.

I'm In!!!!

I referred to "golf cart access," but I like your logic....they already have access to everything they purport they need to access. They just need to come in truckloads instead of golf carts.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Your welcome. I don't know every detail but the cost to fix it was probably really large and I'm not sure there was enough land to even fix it. So our storm water pond was expanded and yours now flows over into ours. Glad we could be of assistance. We may live in different developments but we are all Floridians.

Does that accumulation of water in the Stonecrest pond not benefit the residents there?

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by red tail

this is a dumb thread. a bunch of blowhards . its simple, live here use the facilitys....don't live here then you don't use the facilitys......period!!

Including the golf cart trails maintained by others' dollars.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Cajulian

Again, I will ask the "Question". This has never been answered. Just what ACTUAL AMENITIES are you talking about? Why does everyone keep mentioning Pools and Golf Courses?

No Stonecresters sneak in to use these amenities or the Rec Centers. They only come in and use the PUBlIC facilities that are AVAILABLE to everyone.

Multi-modal paths! Maintained with our amenity fees! And already sufficiently filled with traffic from those residents; even more crowed when seasonal residents/visitors arrive!

Stonecresters who want to use Villages public facilities would be required to use those paths; and Villagers believe we should not be providing that resource on our dime to those who do not pay for the amenity.

Why should Stonecresters have free use of that amenity which we pay for?

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Multi-modal paths! Maintained with our amenity fees! And already sufficiently filled with traffic from those residents; even more crowed when seasonal residents/visitors arrive!

Stonecresters who want to use Villages public facilities would be required to use those paths; and Villagers believe we should not be providing that resource on our dime to those who do not pay for the amenity.

Why should Stonecresters have free use of that amenity which we pay for?

This is the exact point I was trying to make earlier. Why should Bison Valley residents and Oak Meadows residents have free use of that amenity which we pay for? And these residents are much more likely to use other TV amenities, such as pools and golf, since they have none unlike Stonecresters.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Multi-modal paths! Maintained with our amenity fees! And already sufficiently filled with traffic from those residents; even more crowed when seasonal residents/visitors arrive!

Stonecresters who want to use Villages public facilities would be required to use those paths; and Villagers believe we should not be providing that resource on our dime to those who do not pay for the amenity.

Why should Stonecresters have free use of that amenity which we pay for?

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Here we go again but before all the Villages try and burn the witches of Stonecrest there is one thing you better take into account. Stonecrest takes care of the storm water for the historic side that butts up against Stonecrest property. That's right we handle your storm water so you did not have to spend a large sum of money because what you had was not adequate. We do that for you because you are our neighbors and were in need and we don't charge you a dime, not one red cent. We took responsibility when you needed something and we pay for it! Now I could careless whether I have access via golf cart to the Commercial Section of the Villages. I personally believe the Golf Cart Bridge is more dangerous then crossing 441/27 with a Golf Cart. If I want to use a Golf Cart Style Vehicle to access the shopping and restaurants then it is fairly cheep to do so and more convenient then trying to get across the bridge. The smartest thing The Villages could do is sell access to the paths and that way get some revenue to help pay for the maintenance. This approach satisfies both parties. Those that need access get it and the Villager's get revenue and maintain control over the access. Throwing stones at each other is only going to widen the gap between the communities. Also by the way since we have the only lighted pickle ball courts in the area it is not uncommon for Villager's to be playing there in the hot summer evening nights.

If Stonecrest does indeed provide storm water drainage for the Historic side, how do you suppose that happened? Did TV just dig a drain to your retention pond without Stonecrest's knowledge or approval?
I imagine a lot of money changed hands between the two developers for that access.
If this cart access is really that important to the Stonecrest residents,the Stonecrest developers need to be working with TV developers. To bring in a third party to resolve the issue is not going to do anything but cause animosity.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by janmcn

This is the exact point I was trying to make earlier. Why should Bison Valley residents and Oak Meadows residents have free use of that amenity which we pay for? And these residents are much more likely to use other TV amenities, such as pools and golf, since they have none unlike Stonecresters.

Probably because it is a benefit of being an employee or a student within the Villages rather than a resident with amenities? After all, is it not easier to accomodate parking an employee golf carts rather than a car in a space that the general public would nee?