[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Cajulian

RC,

Let's see now. Villagers were using that same path as the Stonecresters for over a decade to get to Aldi's, Walmart, Lowes etc.

Why is it Ok for Villagers to use private property to get to all those stores outside of the Villages. Isn't that what Stonecresters are being accused of doing by Villagers. Yet so many Villagers are hypocritical and think they should have the right to use private property to get to stores out of the Villages.

It's a bit tough to take this topic seriously when there is a double standard.

Ding, I think you hit the bell again. There is a community up in Georgia called Peach Tree. It is a Golf Cart accessible community second only to the villages. One difference is it is a real town with all the powers of a real town. They have border communities that are allowed access to the golf cart paths even though the Peach Tree residents pay for the maintenance of the facilities. What they do is issue a trail sticker. For Peach Tree residents it costs one amount for the sticker and for non-residents it cost another dollar amount. Problem solved.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Currently more Village residents use the Stonecrest Golf Course then the people in Stonecrest. Village residents have also been using the lighted Pickle Ball Courts in the hot summer evenings. There are some people in both communities that can play together well.

I take it that they was invited to Stonecrest? otherwise how would they get through the Stonecrest Gate? SO, you really mean Friends were invited over and I sure it was two way street arrangement.

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by bfdretired

the villages could annex stonecrest.....charge the same fees....give access to all

Wow! Another very very WISE person. Now we are really starting to hear from people that actually have common sense!

This topic is getting fun again!

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Rc Moser

I take it that they was invited to Stonecrest? otherwise how would they get through the Stonecrest Gate? SO, you really mean Friends were invited over and I sure it was two way street arrangement.

They play at Stonecrest since I believe these are the only lighted pickleball courts in the area. Its mostly in the Summer months because they can play when its cooler. There is more then just friends using the courts from what I understand. Its not very hard to get through the Stonecrest Gate.

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by john2

How lame of Stonecrest to try using vets to gain access to our cart path!!!!

Stonecrest is not using the Vets.

The Vets are doing this on their own, based on their own needs to restore the convenient access they had for over a decade to access Doctors and other Health care facilities.

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by Rc Moser

I take it that they was invited to Stonecrest? otherwise how would they get through the Stonecrest Gate? SO, you really mean Friends were invited over and I sure it was two way street arrangement.

No. You don't have to be invited in!

If you come to the Stonecrest gate and say you are going to the Golf Club or to eat in the Restaurant, the guards at the gate will let you in.

Now, how friendly is that for Ya!!!

[VT2TV]

Originally Posted by Cajulian

Google the Senators address or contact info.

By the way, I live in Santo Domingo. I just stand against silly comments that aren't based in anything factual.

Also, try going to the Golf Club to play golf and ask at the gate to get in or try to go to the Restaurant to eat. YOU may learn something that is actually factual for a change.

As to the Multi-modal paths, they indeed are crowded. But it isn't/wasn't the Stonecresters causing this issue. They generally only went over the bridge and parked in the lot immediately to the left of the bridge to visit the Square. Occasionally, they would go to the local shopping center. Rarely would they ever go to Lake Sumter on the paths.

I didn't say that it was the SC who were causing the problems. I am just saying that if they are allowed to use the MMP, then TV will have to let everyone who wants to use the MMP have access. And THAT WILL cause much more crowding. If it was just letting a 20 or 30 people through, I wouldn;t have a problem. But it becomes a domino effect, and would make the pathways essentially unusuable for the people who live here. And if you do live in TV shame on you for aggressively argueing for a situation that will VERY NEGATIVELY impact your neighbors.
This is my last comment on this thread, so don;t expect me to address any return comments

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Harry Gilbert

A email I sent to Districtgov back in Dec 13:

I’ve been following the recent dust up on TOTV concerning the use of the Multi Model paths there. With the amount of opinions expressed that the paths were bought and now maintained through the use of amenity fees and the fact that the road system is County owned and maintained has garnered my curiosity. Here in NJ and from what I can find about most states, these types of trails are a gov’t function and not a homeowner owned property. So instead of trying to decide which of the opinions have merit I’ll come right out and ask. Are these paths privately owned and maintained by The Villages VCDD or are they part of the County transportation system?

Thank you for your time

And the answer


Good Evening,
The paths ARE owned by the Community Development Districts (which are government entities). They are maintained through the assessments (taxes) each of the Districts levy on residents annually. The “on road” paths are the responsibility of the government entity that owns the road.
Hopefully this helps.
Let me know if you have any further questions.
Have a great week and happy holidays!

I am not aware of any cities/towns that have walking/bike paths are unwilling to allow accsses to all. Thats not saying that the borders can not be controlled but that the paths are there for the enjoyment of all.

But the thing that really has me confused is that the executive courses are amenity owned but you have to pay a fee to use what you are already paying for?

There are no fees to play the executive golf courses.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Cajulian

RC,

Let's see now. Villagers were using that same path as the Stonecresters for over a decade to get to Aldi's, Walmart, Lowes etc.

Why is it Ok for Villagers to use private property to get to all those stores outside of the Villages. Isn't that what Stonecresters are being accused of doing by Villagers. Yet so many Villagers are hypocritical and think they should have the right to use private property to get to stores out of the Villages.

It's a bit tough to take this topic seriously when there is a double standard.

Because the people who own that public property ALLOW Villages residents to use it. I would guess because it is in their interest to do so. People who own private property have a right to say who and who may not use it and for what purposes.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

There are no fee to play the executive golf courses.

If you play the executive courses in TV you must pay the executive trail fee. You either pay as you play or pay an annual or six months fee.

http://www.golfthevillages.com/execu...railfeeapp.pdf

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Cajulian

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As to the Multi-modal paths, they indeed are crowded. But it isn't/wasn't the Stonecresters causing this issue. They generally only went over the bridge and parked in the lot immediately to the left of the bridge to visit the Square. Occasionally, they would go to the local shopping center. Rarely would they ever go to Lake Sumter on the paths.

Since you admit to the multi-modal paths being crowded already, why would you think it is advisable to exacerbate that situation by allowing Stonecresters to come and use the paths that we pay for for free? That makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!

Your allegation as to the travel of Stonecresters is nonsensical and quite probably not true at all. Stonecresters have lots of friends scattered throughout all of the Villages and some Stonecresters play in long-established golf foursomes and other sports activities and some used to cut through the Villages to get to one of the dog parks! So you can stuff that limited travel rationale!

[kwtoman]

Would not the news announced today, about 27/441, make this a moot point?

[Harry Gilbert]

Maybe I just don't get it

Why all the fuss over walking/bike/cart trails that are owned by the local version of gov't and funded through tax dollars. All over the country there are trails, parks, boardwalks etc that are paid for by the locals and are open to all without all the bickering

[TVMayor]

Then I said to myself The Villages is on three sides of Spruce Creek, how do the veterans in Spruce Creek get to the doctor? Was I in the pool today with a Creeker?

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by VT2TV

There seems to be just 2 residents of Stonecrest , Steven and Cajulian, on here who have problems with not being able to use the MMpathways, so I can only assume they are the people stirring the pot. They are only answering select questions, never addressing the fact that as a gated community, they are equally as selfish as they accuse us of being. They want access to our MMpathways free, but we can't even get through their gates. I have never heard of anyone from TV using their pickleball courts, and certainly not free. The golf courses, I might believe, but they are not free either, so it is not like they are wide open and welcoming TV rsidents like they are trying to sound like.
I honestly don't know about the storm water situation, but I am sure whatever deal was done would have been mutually beneficial for both TV and SC, and I am sure TV would certainly had to pay their share, if not the entire fee. But it has no bearing on this subject in hand.
BY his own post, CAJULIAN, reports that the people of SC come to our squares by THE TRUCKLOADS. That admission there says that they have MORE THAN ENOUGH VEHICLES other than golf carts THEY CAN USE TO GET TO THEIR DOCTORS OFFICES, GROCERY STORES, AND ETC.
Then STEVE mentioned that he doesn't like the restaurants anymore. That is another place he won't need to drive his car to TV for anyhow.
This subject will never be resolved on TOTV. I have to admit that I do not want SC to use our MM pathways. But, it is not because I am a mean, selfish horrible person that we are being called on here. The truth of the matter is that right now our MMpathways are very crowded, and TV is not anywhere near buildout. When Fruitland Village is done there will be 2000 more houses, so that right there will add 2000-4000 more carts to the MMP (multimodal pathways). The houses they are currently working on down near Brownwood seem to be in the thousands. Now on top of that, add in the seasonal residents, and the MMP are pretty much bumper to bumper. I have counted 14-16 carts lined up trying to get off the MMP onto St Charles Rd. The absolute truth is that our MMP are too crowded for us, much less anyone not living in the Villages. Now, using common sense, if residents of SC were allowed to use our MMP, then Wildwood, and Fruitland Park, and everyother community around TV would want access. Our MMP would simply NOT support all that traffic, and you could have driven your carsdown to Leesburg before you could get halfway to TV.

I wonder if anyone has any address to the Senator, or Gary Lester we could write to and share our feelings

Nothing I read in this post is correct.