[Spectreron]

I'm not a tree hugger and I don't preach EVs, I love the internal combustion engine, but I think there is something better now. I've done my research and I think EVs have turned the corner and will become the vehicle of choice in the next year or two. For example, Tesla is making 1 million cars a year and will hit a 2 million per year rate this year, yet. they are sold out until Oct-Jan of 2022. Tesla has 1.5 million preorders for the Cybertruck and Ford's electric F-150 will fly off the shelves. Every legacy auto maker is busting butt to develop EVs and batteries and vowing to go fully electric in the next few years. They must know something. Read a couple articles on the Mustang Mach-E, the VW ID4 or Tesla's Model 3 and Y. You might be surprised.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

They lost two sand bars... Sand shifts over time. Always has, always will...

Explain Venice Italy please.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Spectreron

I'm not a tree hugger and I don't preach EVs, I love the internal combustion engine, but I think there is something better now. I've done my research and I think EVs have turned the corner and will become the vehicle of choice in the next year or two. For example, Tesla is making 1 million cars a year and will hit a 2 million per year rate this year, yet. they are sold out until Oct-Jan of 2022. Tesla has 1.5 million preorders for the Cybertruck and Ford's electric F-150 will fly off the shelves. Every legacy auto maker is busting butt to develop EVs and batteries and vowing to go fully electric in the next few years. They must know something. Read a couple articles on the Mustang Mach-E, the VW ID4 or Tesla's Model 3 and Y. You might be surprised.

In a year or two? 90 percent of EVs are being sold to people who have a garage. What about the millions of people who live in apartments and don't even have an assigned parking space? I don't have anything against EVs, but it will take a lot more time than a year or two.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

In a year or two? 90 percent of EVs are being sold to people who have a garage. What about the millions of people who live in apartments and don't even have an assigned parking space? I don't have anything against EVs, but it will take a lot more time than a year or two.

More than a year or two for what?

The poster simply said it will be the vehicle of choice, not that it will replace every ICE. With 285 million registered vehicles in the US even at Tesla making 2 million per year, it will only take 150 years to replace them all. LOL!

With all the other automakers jumping on board now, it will happen quickly. Some will be flops, others will be great. As for the apartment dwellers, the apartment complexes will come up with solutions - like changing stations in the parking lot, as incentive for EV owners to move there. Other situations will find result in more opportunities for companies to make money.

Once there is money to be made, and a make to feed it, the adoption will be fast. But, even so replacing 285 million vehicles will take more than a few years - LOL!

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

More than a year or two for what?

The poster simply said it will be the vehicle of choice, not that it will replace every ICE. With 285 million registered vehicles in the US even at Tesla making 2 million per year, it will only take 150 years to replace them all. LOL!

With all the other automakers jumping on board now, it will happen quickly. Some will be flops, others will be great. As for the apartment dwellers, the apartment complexes will come up with solutions - like changing stations in the parking lot, as incentive for EV owners to move there. Other situations will find result in more opportunities for companies to make money.

Once there is money to be made, and a make to feed it, the adoption will be fast. But, even so replacing 285 million vehicles will take more than a few years - LOL!

I guess I don't know what "vehicle of choice" means. Only about 3.5 percent of vehicles being sold are EVs. I don't think apartment complexes are going to do anything unless they are forced or paid to do it. And, most people buying new ICE vehicles, expect them to be on the road for at least 20 years or so. Almost everyone in The Villages has a garage, but only a small percentage have an EV. So, what will change in a year or so?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces

Explain Venice Italy please.

It's sinking. Measured at 2.75" for 1,000 years, and 9.44" over the last century...

Is Venice, Italy, Really Sinking? - WorldAtlas

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I guess I don't know what "vehicle of choice" means. Only about 3.5 percent of vehicles being sold are EVs. I don't think apartment complexes are going to do anything unless they are forced or paid to do it. And, most people buying new ICE vehicles, expect them to be on the road for at least 20 years or so. Almost everyone in The Villages has a garage, but only a small percentage have an EV. So, what will change in a year or so?

Most of that was pretty good, I don't know where you came up with that 20 year number. But, I guess some 2002 models are still on the road, so maybe some will make it that long. I think most people buy every 10 or 11 years now? It used to be every 3 years.

But, anyway, a very fast way to change, assuming there are enough companies making them, is for the gas to go up[ to say $10/gal in todays money. Then anyone that wants to can keep on driving ICE others may be motivated to buy EV.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

It's sinking. Measured at 2.75" for 1,000 years, and 9.44" over the last century...

Is Venice, Italy, Really Sinking? - WorldAtlas

Yup, they are also battling climate change/ocean rising.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Most of that was pretty good, I don't know where you came up with that 20 year number. But, I guess some 2002 models are still on the road, so maybe some will make it that long. I think most people buy every 10 or 11 years now? It used to be every 3 years.

But, anyway, a very fast way to change, assuming there are enough companies making them, is for the gas to go up[ to say $10/gal in todays money. Then anyone that wants to can keep on driving ICE others may be motivated to buy EV.

I think that most cars are still on the road somewhere for about 20 years or so. Most car sales are used cars. Many older cars are shipped overseas and used even longer. I once sold a 15 year old Honda Accord to a guy who said he was buying old cars to be shipped to Africa. So, the new cars rolling off the assembly line today will be burning gasoline for a long time.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Yup, they are also battling climate change/ocean rising.

Uh, huh...

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I think that most cars are still on the road somewhere for about 20 years or so. Most car sales are used cars. Many older cars are shipped overseas and used even longer. I once sold a 15 year old Honda Accord to a guy who said he was buying old cars to be shipped to Africa. So, the new cars rolling off the assembly line today will be burning gasoline for a long time.

Good points.

I think that people assuming EVs for personal transportation are some sort of panacea are somewhat short-sighted. Not only is much of that electricity used to charge the EVs derived from Petroleum and natural gas products (60%) but much depends on WHERE you live. EVs for personal transportation will probably be used much more extensively down here than along the northern and central tiers of states. Aside from the fact that a whole lot of that battery power in EVs would be used keeping the occupants warm and the windows clear in the winter rather than translating into miles driven. Add to that the fact that batteries progressively LOSE power the colder it gets, and EV batteries are no exception to that. An article in the Irish Times (January 2022) puts the average loss of battery power in the winter at 20%, but that is in a UK winter, which are extremely mild compared to what you might face in Montana, the Dakotas, or Minnesota, where a loss of 50% or even more would not be unexpected.

So--yeah. Lots of work needs to be done. We won't stop burning petroleum products any time soon.

[Mrprez]

Here’s a novel way to get those old cars off the road..The government could set up a program to buy them all back. They could call it “Bills for Beaters” or some other clever name.

[JMintzer]

Seems like this "different perspective" is the very same perspective that's be re-hashed over and over again...

[MorTech]

Higher global temperature will cause higher atmospheric H2O and CO2 (just basic earth science)...The molecules of biological life... and turn the vast desert areas on earth into farmland...and make Greenland actually green.

https://www.kids-world-travel-guide....tfNj48pHa4.jpg

I just prefer electric vehicles (especially golf carts) but have a real concern for battery thermal runaway.
However, you will have to pry my twin-turbo V6 from my cold dead hands.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Mrprez

Here’s a novel way to get those old cars off the road..The government could set up a program to buy them all back. They could call it “Bills for Beaters” or some other clever name.

Great idea, let’s add to the countries already unsustainable debt.