[Scbang]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Did you miss the "could disappear" in the article you linked?

Oops, Kiribati and Tuvalu have lost 2 islands each. They have not completely disappeared yet. But they will soon.. sigh.. Can you imagine your country is going under the water and you are just waiting it to happen?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Scbang

Oops, Kiribati and Tuvalu have lost 2 islands each. They have not completely disappeared yet. But they will soon.. sigh.. Can you imagine your country is going under the water and you are just waiting it to happen?

They lost two sand bars... Sand shifts over time. Always has, always will...

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by jmaccallum

In recent conversation with a science geek PhD friend of mine who is retiring and moving to the Villages, I asked him what kind of golf cart he wanted to get. Gas or electric? Electric of course, he replied. Why? I asked.

Well, think about it he said, in the near future there will be a Honda CRV in the Smithsonian, and they will tell people looking at it, “This is what they used to get around in back in the day, and it spit toxic fumes out the back as it went.” Every time you drive your car, or gas golf cart, it spits poison out the back. If you run it in your garage without opening the door, it will kill you. And a billion of us have been doing that for years. Where did we all think all those fumes and gases were going? Our little blue dot is a bubble, man, it ain’t ventilated.

Wow. Thinking about it as we headed to the square for a cold one, I’m glad my carts electric.

Betty.Wong@flagstar.com

Where does he think that all of those fumes and gasses came from?

Our little blue dot may not be ventilated but it is a closed system. All of the fumes gasses and everything else on this planet, with the exception of moon rocks and perhaps some meteor rocks, came from this planet.

Matter cannot be created or destroyed. It can only be changed. Fumes and gasses were other types or matter before they were fumes and gasses. They will eventually be changed to another type of matter by plant life. So although the planet is not ventilated, it is self cleaning.

Another point is that if we were to change all of the cars in this country to electric, it would only make a a small in the greenhouse gas emissions. Most greenhouse gasses are created by ships transporting goods across the oceans, planes and manufacturing.

That brings up another point. Carbon fuels are used in the process of manufacturing electric batteries. It's questionable whether fewer emissions are used in their manufacture than would be from a gasoline powered over its lifetime. In addition I understand that the disposal of these batteries creates a big problem for the environment.

I have a lithium powered electric cart by the way. My choice had nothing to do with the supposed damage to the environment that a few thousand gas golf carts would do.

[Lottoguy]

Then again people may also be looking at a hole in the ground where they mined for lithium. And saying "this is where people 100 years ago dug for an alternate energy and never filled the holes around our planet."

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Betty.Wong@flagstar.com

Another point is that if we were to change all of the cars in this country to electric, it would only make a a small in the greenhouse gas emissions. Most greenhouse gasses are created by ships transporting goods across the oceans, planes and manufacturing.

Mostly agree with your post. The amount of green house gas exited by cars is estimated to be about 26% of all green house gas emissions.

Planes, trains, and cargo ships are major contributors. Power plants are another major contributor. It is gonna take a while to convert EVERYTHING.

So, while it is not the worst or most, as many people claim, it is a significant start. And it is something each of us can do to help our grand kids. But, it will not solve the problem. it is a step in the right direction.

But, that step will take decades, not years. So, as it is said, the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.

[MorTech]

If you are wanting to blame some biological lifeform for climate...Blame termites. at least it would make more sense.

[Byte1]

If you are concerned about emission pollutants, then get a zero emission bicycle. The only pollutant emulating from an operating bicycle is flatulence from the operator.

[dhdallas]

Gas powered carts are after-sale money makers for dealers, cart mechanics, and parts suppliers/manufacturers. Gas cart engines are chock full of stuff that needs maintenance and can malfunction. Not to mention leaking gas, having to make trips to the fueling station, smelling like gas, a fire hazard, the price of gas, exhaust emissions, the noise, etc. Electric carts have very few (if any) components that need any upkeep and their range is fantastic. I have a 20 year old electric Club Car with 4 lithium iron phosphate 12v 100ah batteries and can go from one end pf TV to the other and back again with juice left over. My neighbors cart will go 80 miles on one charge. My cart is simplicity plus; 4 batteries, electric motor, the controller, and an external charger. Look under the seat of a gas cart; it is anything but simple! The internal combustion engine days are numbered. People are so resistant to change (especially as they get older). My father refused to buy any car that had front wheel drive. Don't buy a gas powered dinosaur. Go electric!

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

Look under the seat of a gas cart; it is anything but simple!

Hmmm, I look under the seats of both our gas carts all the time. What I see is an incredibly basic and simple engine and drive system. It takes me about 10 - 15 minutes once a year to do a complete tuneup on each cart. After 6 years I replaced the single battery on each cart, costing about $99 each. Other than that the only expense I had on either cart was a new drive belt for the Yamaha and a new alternator belt for the Club Car. Never a single breakdown on either cart in 7 plus years, have towed 4 dead electric carts, and never have to worry about spending who knows how much on multiple battery replacements.

[Spectreron]

Are you aware that a fully charged Tesla (250-300 miles of range) stores the energy equivalent of 4 gallons of gasoline. How many thousand miles of energy are wasted in every tank of gasoline. Internal combustion engines are great and well refined, but they are terribly inefficient. Recommended routine maintenance on most EVs is a grease job every 2 years and tire rotation. No $500 annual tuneup and oil changes (what happens to that dirty oil)? Something else to consider…every morning you start with a full charge, just like your cellphone, no weekly dirty gas station visits, ever. The extra time spent charging while traveling is more than made up by never having to go buy gas. Elon Musk recently said Tesla could easily add more range to their cars but it was unnecessary. The vast majority of drivers travel less than 100 miles a day, carrying the extra battery weight when it’s rarely needed is highly inefficient. Many, many people are woefully uninformed about EVs. Take some time and do a little research. They aren’t the terrible future some of you foresee, and they ARE the future. The Tesla Model Y will be the most sold car in the world this year, 2022, so how long until you get yours?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Spectreron

Are you aware that a fully charged Tesla (250-300 miles of range) stores the energy equivalent of 4 gallons of gasoline. How many thousand miles of energy are wasted in every tank of gasoline. Internal combustion engines are great and well refined, but they are terribly inefficient. Recommended routine maintenance on most EVs is a grease job every 2 years and tire rotation. No $500 annual tuneup and oil changes (what happens to that dirty oil)? Something else to consider…every morning you start with a full charge, just like your cellphone, no weekly dirty gas station visits, ever. The extra time spent charging while traveling is more than made up by never having to go buy gas. Elon Musk recently said Tesla could easily add more range to their cars but it was unnecessary. The vast majority of drivers travel less than 100 miles a day, carrying the extra battery weight when it’s rarely needed is highly inefficient. Many, many people are woefully uninformed about EVs. Take some time and do a little research. They aren’t the terrible future some of you foresee, and they ARE the future. The Tesla Model Y will be the most sold car in the world this year, 2022, so how long until you get yours?

If you are paying $500/year for a "tune up" for your car, you're getting ripped off...

Modern cars don't require that. My car is 11 years old and it's never had a "tune up"...

Ands used oil? It's recycled...

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

Gas powered carts are after-sale money makers for dealers, cart mechanics, and parts suppliers/manufacturers. Gas cart engines are chock full of stuff that needs maintenance and can malfunction. Not to mention leaking gas, having to make trips to the fueling station, smelling like gas, a fire hazard, the price of gas, exhaust emissions, the noise, etc. Electric carts have very few (if any) components that need any upkeep and their range is fantastic. I have a 20 year old electric Club Car with 4 lithium iron phosphate 12v 100ah batteries and can go from one end pf TV to the other and back again with juice left over. My neighbors cart will go 80 miles on one charge. My cart is simplicity plus; 4 batteries, electric motor, the controller, and an external charger. Look under the seat of a gas cart; it is anything but simple! The internal combustion engine days are numbered. People are so resistant to change (especially as they get older). My father refused to buy any car that had front wheel drive. Don't buy a gas powered dinosaur. Go electric!

I've got nothing against electric carts, but the zealots who preach on TOTV is a another story.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

Gas powered carts are after-sale money makers for dealers, cart mechanics, and parts suppliers/manufacturers. Gas cart engines are chock full of stuff that needs maintenance and can malfunction. Not to mention leaking gas, having to make trips to the fueling station, smelling like gas, a fire hazard, the price of gas, exhaust emissions, the noise, etc. Electric carts have very few (if any) components that need any upkeep and their range is fantastic. I have a 20 year old electric Club Car with 4 lithium iron phosphate 12v 100ah batteries and can go from one end pf TV to the other and back again with juice left over. My neighbors cart will go 80 miles on one charge. My cart is simplicity plus; 4 batteries, electric motor, the controller, and an external charger. Look under the seat of a gas cart; it is anything but simple! The internal combustion engine days are numbered. People are so resistant to change (especially as they get older). My father refused to buy any car that had front wheel drive. Don't buy a gas powered dinosaur. Go electric!

That’s for the lecture, You’re opinion that’s it.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

If you are paying $500/year for a "tune up" for your car, you're getting ripped off...

Modern cars don't require that. My car is 11 years old and it's never had a "tune up"...

Ands used oil? It's recycled...

Cause have no clue.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Spectreron

Are you aware that a fully charged Tesla (250-300 miles of range) stores the energy equivalent of 4 gallons of gasoline. How many thousand miles of energy are wasted in every tank of gasoline. Internal combustion engines are great and well refined, but they are terribly inefficient. Recommended routine maintenance on most EVs is a grease job every 2 years and tire rotation. No $500 annual tuneup and oil changes (what happens to that dirty oil)? Something else to consider…every morning you start with a full charge, just like your cellphone, no weekly dirty gas station visits, ever. The extra time spent charging while traveling is more than made up by never having to go buy gas. Elon Musk recently said Tesla could easily add more range to their cars but it was unnecessary. The vast majority of drivers travel less than 100 miles a day, carrying the extra battery weight when it’s rarely needed is highly inefficient. Many, many people are woefully uninformed about EVs. Take some time and do a little research. They aren’t the terrible future some of you foresee, and they ARE the future. The Tesla Model Y will be the most sold car in the world this year, 2022, so how long until you get yours?

Drop in bucket to over 2 billion plus internal combustion vehicles in world.


need to trade that MB, BMW, or anything other overpriced leased car why charging you 500 dollars, o wait you already done that for even more overpriced Tesla.

Let me know in few years when the batteries have to be replaced. O wait, won’t keep it that long.