[MrFlorida]

And where do you think the electric comes from ? It's not clean to generate it.

[hypart]

Gas carts are noisy and smelly. Real glad I traded in my gas cart for an electric.

[Linco]

Anyone who has ever been in a tunnel here in TV with a gas-powered cart can identify with the comment "...it spit toxic fumes out the back as it went.” In addition, they are very noisy.

[ChicagoNative]

All you nasty consumers and earth-haters should walk or ride bikes. How’s THAT for “greener than thou”! ������

[Joe C.]

All manner of transportation has it's good points and bad points. In the whole scheme of things, I don't think the gas vs. electric argument is worth the breath we waste. Human ingenuity will figure another mode of transportation in the future to replace gas or electric, and in time the same argument for that new mode will pop up. In the meantime, life goes on.

[Luggage]

The perspective is this, it's the near future for our grandchildren, under $500,000 Vehicles were sold in the US as of about 12 million last year at the rate we're going which I'm sure they'll be more and more he'll still take about 25 to 30 years to get to 50% of current vehicles the electric and the rest being gas. Although they're making Long Haul trucks or containers, the vast majority of trucks the whole short and long-term are still going to be gas has the capacity and cost is so much lower for the initial capital investment

[PoolBrews]

What every battery proponent misses is which one has the worst long term effect? Sure, you can claim that electric doesn't create the emissions that gas engines do, but look up what the process that creates these batteries does to the environment. Tons of toxins are released when batteries are manufactured. Now look at what happens when the battery reaches end of life (especially lithium). They go in a landfill and contaminate the earth. Currently there is no way to reclaim any of the materials used in the battery (most of which are highly toxic), they can't be burned due to the toxicity of the fumes, so they get buried where all of these toxins leach into the earth.

I'm not against electric - but I am tired of hearing how they are so much cleaner and better for the environment - nothing could be further from the truth. When they get to the point where dead batteries can be fully reclaimed, then we'll truly have a safe reusable source of power. We're just not there yet.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Where the heck does he think electricity comes from? And about those electric batteries have you ever seen what a lithium mine looks like!

[blueash]

Originally Posted by PoolBrews

What every battery proponent misses is ... Now look at what happens when the battery reaches end of life (especially lithium). They go in a landfill and contaminate the earth. Currently there is no way to reclaim any of the materials used in the battery (most of which are highly toxic), they can't be burned due to the toxicity of the fumes, so they get buried where all of these toxins leach into the earth.

... When they get to the point where dead batteries can be fully reclaimed, then we'll truly have a safe reusable source of power. We're just not there yet.

Well I've got great news for you and I look forward to your next purchase to be a battery powered cart if your real objection was the false statement that lithium batteries get buried and are not recycled.

Tesla is now recycling 100% of the batteries it recovers from older cars reclaiming over 92% of the raw materials from those batteries. New commercial operations are doing the same for other batteries. Your statement that lithium batteries get buried is wrong.

Sustainability | Tesla
"What happens to Tesla battery packs once they reach their end of life?
Unlike fossil fuels, which release harmful emissions into the atmosphere that are not recovered for reuse, materials in a Tesla lithium-ion battery are recoverable and recyclable. Battery materials are refined and put into a cell, and will still remain in the cell at the end of their life, when they can be recycled to recover its valuable materials for reuse over and over again... None of our scrapped lithium-ion batteries go to landfilling, and 100% are recycled.."

And as to non-Tesla ventures. Read this Mass. startup transforms old electric car batteries into better-than-new ones | New Hampshire Public Radio

[DrBrutyle109]

Your friend should ask for his money back where he got his PhD. There are also scientists that say the atmosphere will only change 1 tenth of one percent in 50 years. India is the biggest polluter on the planet. Do you think all of it stays there ?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub
Does he know our garbage is burned to provide electricity?

Originally Posted by spd2918

Florida burns coal.

WHAT?? It is fine to think Bono is mislead. It is fine to think Big Oil is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But it is not fine to make such easily fact checked big mistakes. When you write something that is so contrary to the truth [no you didn't mean it burns a little coal, you were disagreeing with the statement that garbage is a fuel source by saying coal IS the source of our electricity]

Have you never seen the nuclear towers on our west coast? Have you not read the inserts with your electric bill touting SECO solar fields? Did Tucker mislead you?

Here is the data from Florida [which does not include small source generation such as solar panels on your home]

[Baldbaron]

My favorite toxin-free, minimal expenditure, totally safe and reliable electricity power source - the TIDES. Submerged modern turbines can generate power on both incoming and outgoing tidal flows, with little visual footprint - and can safety screen debris while protecting marine life.

My second choice, and a notch up on the danger potential scale, is breeder reactors, which along with electricity deliver fuel for themselves and additional reactors. Yes, failures can occur, but we have come a long way from the failures of the past, and the hard lessons learned have drastically reduced the odds of future meltdowns.

Either of these power sources can keep the lights on reliably for a very long time, so our grandchildren and their grandchildren can be comfortable as they prosper in a (hopefully) peaceful world.

[Bealman]

Originally Posted by ChicagoNative

All you nasty consumers and earth-haters should walk or ride bikes. How’s THAT for “greener than thou”! ������

You still eat, consume resources and generate waste no greener than thou pedastal for you......

[Regor]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

Where the heck does he think electricity comes from? And about those electric batteries have you ever seen what a lithium mine looks like!

Nice picture of the The Diavik Diamond Mine!!!

[Bealman]

Originally Posted by Baldbaron

My favorite toxin-free, minimal expenditure, totally safe and reliable electricity power source - the TIDES. Submerged modern turbines can generate power on both incoming and outgoing tidal flows, with little visual footprint - and can safety screen debris while protecting marine life.

My second choice, and a notch up on the danger potential scale, is breeder reactors, which along with electricity deliver fuel for themselves and additional reactors. Yes, failures can occur, but we have come a long way from the failures of the past, and the hard lessons learned have drastically reduced the odds of future meltdowns.

Either of these power sources can keep the lights on reliably for a very long time, so our grandchildren and their grandchildren can be comfortable as they prosper in a (hopefully) peaceful world.

Fusion should be the goal to generate energy. Tides, solar, and wind energy damage too many natural environments for the return of the energy they produce. Filters, don't work well and the maintenance cost is ridiculous. How are the filters going to be made without petroleum and micro plastics entering the ecosystem?

Doesn't matter what side of "climate debate " you are on, there is no perfect solution. Look to the smallest footprint with largest energy return on environmental impacts and solar, wind, and tide are not the answer.

Read the science and not the political science.