[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by asianthree

My guess is you have only lived here for a few years….yes gates malfunction, from constant use..with bolts that are made to break.

At 3am when the gate fell, community watch was exiting his vehicle to remove the gate, because it was reported as malfunctioning. I was exiting at the same time. The gate fell, all by itself. By the way if you have to move the gate it’s not as light as one would think.

I asked if the gate fell on my vehicle, what would happen, his reply “I know it has happened, but am unaware of the outcome” Very scripted and text book answer. Trust me if the gate malfunctioned, fell on you, you would make the call, the cameras are available to provide information.

But you seem to question my account experience. One should be aware that if a gate seems to rise oddly, the bolts may be at their end life. Call community watch, a vehicle will be at that gate within minutes.

“ IF” so it didn’t fall on you vehicle. And why would community watch know all those answers?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Wondering

First of all why would you have your insurance pay for the damage and then have your rates go up? Secondly, I believe the cost to repair/replace is $250. Lastly, the gates are a joke. The roads belong to the county and anyone can have access to the community, so the gates don't serve a security purpose, just a window dressing.

Not in Marion County, county has nothing to do with roads off BV.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The need to do a better job at collection. They're only collecting 70% of their billings.


Also, there are almost as many "gate malfunctions", as there are gate crashes (3.6 malfunctions/day and 4.4 crashes/day). Seems like a lot of malfunctions.

And how many times do they go up and down? 3.6 out of 100K or more times? It that data collected?

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Where is there visiting gate entry without guard in shack?

You need to get out more.

At least 40% of the gates I go through, are unattended.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

You need to get out more.

At least 40% of the gates I go through, are unattended.

There are 4 gates I could go through to get to my house, 3 are not attended.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Where is there visiting gate entry without guard in shack?

Many places. They have a red button to allow entry without a resident card. A fairly large red button.

[bonrich]

Flatten the gate arms. Instead of tubular shape, make it at least 4" flat arm, larger area to be more visible.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by bonrich

Flatten the gate arms. Instead of tubular shape, make it at least 4" flat arm, larger area to be more visible.

That is a good suggestion, like many others aimed at increasing the visibility of gate arms. However, the underlying question remains: Is the so-called visibility of gate arms that everyone knows are there a problem for anyone but the small minority of visually impaired or unskilled drivers who shouldn't be on the road in the first place? And what is the cost to everyone if hundreds of gate arms are replaced to accommodate those very few? The other categories of gate crashers include the drunk and the impatient. And all of these gate crashers will probably find a way to break an "enhanced visibility" gate anyway. I vote for saving the tax $$$ and continue fining those that destroy a gate, maybe even double the fine.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by bonrich

Flatten the gate arms. Instead of tubular shape, make it at least 4" flat arm, larger area to be more visible.

Flat gate arms are not as wind resistant and could cause damage as well as the potential for personal injury.

Why not use all metal, with razor spikes and explosive tips? Repeat offenders would be limited.

[bonrich]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

That is a good suggestion, like many others aimed at increasing the visibility of gate arms. However, the underlying question remains: Is the so-called visibility of gate arms that everyone knows are there a problem for anyone but the small minority of visually impaired or unskilled drivers who shouldn't be on the road in the first place? And what is the cost to everyone if hundreds of gate arms are replaced to accommodate those very few? The other categories of gate crashers include the drunk and the impatient. And all of these gate crashers will probably find a way to break an "enhanced visibility" gate anyway. I vote for saving the tax $$$ and continue fining those that destroy a gate, maybe even double the fine.

For me, when I approach a gate exit, my brain says there is a gate arm there, but my eyes are not seeing the arm right away, sort of a disconnect between the two senses. When I do see the arm, sometimes I am closer than I would ordinarily be. Also, it depends on what the arm is in front of, sometimes combining with the sun, it disappears until the last minute. If the crafters can put card copies of your gate card in your outside mirror, why couldn't the powers to be do the same, with a step-up in the quality of the copy? I thought I read where the software was going to be updated for the mechanisms of the arms.

[Normal]

Personally I am so stumped by the tangent of visibility even being discussed!

People aren’t stupid, but they sure can make up excuses!

First of all, they are cognizant of an approaching gate. There is no mystery about where you live. Let alone the fact that there is a large structure (minimum 4 foot pillar) supporting the said gate. Further, some of these gates are close to known building guard house structures.

We are all human, with a vast repertoire of excuses. Not knowing a gate is somewhere around, should be grounds for the loss of a driver’s license.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by bonrich

For me, when I approach a gate exit, my brain says there is a gate arm there, but my eyes are not seeing the arm right away, sort of a disconnect between the two senses. When I do see the arm, sometimes I am closer than I would ordinarily be. Also, it depends on what the arm is in front of, sometimes combining with the sun, it disappears until the last minute. If the crafters can put card copies of your gate card in your outside mirror, why couldn't the powers to be do the same, with a step-up in the quality of the copy? I thought I read where the software was going to be updated for the mechanisms of the arms.

OK, how would a gate card chip in the side view mirror prevent someone from crashing a gate? In fact, knowing, they don't have to fully stop, pull out a card after opening a window, and then wave it at the sensor might lead to even more gate crashing. I suspect more gates are crashed on the exit side, perhaps Two Plane has those statistics. But the underlying question remains: How many gates are crashed due to their so called "poor visibility" as opposed to poor driver vision, poor driver skills, drivers who can't see over their steering wheel, drunk drivers, speeding towards the gates and trying to piggyback with the vehicle ahead?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Normal

Personally I am so stumped by the tangent of visibility even being discussed!

People aren’t stupid, but they sure can make up excuses!

First of all, they are cognizant of an approaching gate. There is no mystery about where you live. Let alone the fact that there is a large structure (minimum 4 foot pillar) supporting the said gate. Further, some of these gates are close to known building guard house structures.

We are all human, with a vast repertoire of excuses. Not knowing a gate is somewhere around, should be grounds for the loss of a driver’s license.

Well, that's certainly true. But I would think for it to count against a driver's license a LEO would have to ticket the offender for something like reckless driving.
Perhaps a scale of escalating fines---$250, first gate, $500 second, $1,000 third and so forth.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, that's certainly true. But I would think for it to count against a driver's license a LEO would have to ticket the offender for something like reckless driving.
Perhaps a scale of escalating fines---$250, first gate, $500 second, $1,000 third and so forth.

Throw in reporting to the infraction to the county for further review, mandatory driving school and a retesting for the driver’s license.

[bonrich]

Move the card reader so it reads your card sooner for those that look for the pillar.