[Taj44]

Originally Posted by ricthemic

good post but I have a few comments
1. extended periods of lack of rain causing poor conditions.... that is why they have irrigation systems
2. original poster and subsequent posters paid forty plus dollars per round. I am not sure "whining" is appropriate here. check out the restaurant section, are people whining if the service and food quality are bad? I think "upset" is the operative word. but like others say that is just my opinion

I agree that when one complains about service that one expects to get, that one has paid for, that it is not whining. Upset, yes, ticked off, yes. The thing is, The Villages advertises itself as a golfing community. We bought into this place because we were promised good golfing conditions. If you look at The Villages website it says: " Unlike many “executive courses” outside The Villages, ours are maintained at a high standard." Of course, we have come to realize that this year, anyways, that is a crock. The Executive courses in general have been in poor condition, and the Championship courses have been hit and miss. As has been posted other times, Orange Blossom has deteriorated from what it was a year or two ago, Tierra is lousy, and now Glenview, which used to be terrific. You can call it whining if you want, but I think its stupid for someone to pay money to play on a crap course. And I think it is stupid for people to put up with bad service i.e. bad course conditions. Todd Basso has seemed receptive, and has said that there is a big push on to improve golf course conditions. In my opinion, it doesn't hurt to let him know about courses that seem to be getting worse instead of better. Looking at things realistically, he is an administrator. I'm not sure how much he gets out into the field. As far as blaming it on the weather, this has been discussed ad nauseum in previous posts, and even Mr. Basso admitted that there are maintenance problems that are at issue to blame in large part for the poor conditions. Trying to call someone's attention to existing problems is called "being a good consumer" in my book.

[Pturner]

Originally Posted by Taj44

I agree that when one complains about service that one expects to get, that one has paid for, that it is not whining. Upset, yes, ticked off, yes. The thing is, The Villages advertises itself as a golfing community. We bought into this place because we were promised good golfing conditions. If you look at The Villages website it says: " Unlike many “executive courses” outside The Villages, ours are maintained at a high standard." Of course, we have come to realize that this year, anyways, that is a crock. The Executive courses in general have been in poor condition, and the Championship courses have been hit and miss. As has been posted other times, Orange Blossom has deteriorated from what it was a year or two ago, Tierra is lousy, and now Glenview, which used to be terrific. You can call it whining if you want, but I think its stupid for someone to pay money to play on a crap course. And I think it is stupid for people to put up with bad service i.e. bad course conditions. Todd Basso has seemed receptive, and has said that there is a big push on to improve golf course conditions. In my opinion, it doesn't hurt to let him know about courses that seem to be getting worse instead of better. Looking at things realistically, he is an administrator. I'm not sure how much he gets out into the field. As far as blaming it on the weather, this has been discussed ad nauseum in previous posts, and even Mr. Basso admitted that there are maintenance problems that are at issue to blame in large part for the poor conditions. Trying to call someone's attention to existing problems is called "being a good consumer" in my book.

I think it works best when people report the issue respectfully, ask questions and let admins know that we want and expect better for our community. Expressing anger often is less effective as it is more likely to me met with defensiveness. But speaking up about poor conditions and trying to affect positive change is not whining!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Pturner

I think it works best when people report the issue respectfully, ask questions and let admins know that we want and expect better for our community. Expressing anger often is less effective as it is more likely to me met with defensiveness. But speaking up about poor conditions and trying to affect positive change is not whining!

OK, I retract whining. And I agree speaking up is the thing to do.........not on TOTV but to the people who can make changes!

[ajbrown]

For me this thread is not all about whining. The reason I post to a thread like this to make other golfers who enjoy the championship courses aware.

IMO this is not the same as getting bad service at a restaurant or a poorly prepared meal. In that case you may be the only person who knows and need to chat with management. Others at the same restaurant may be getting good service and in fact you may get a good meal at the same place tomorrow .

Glenview will not be good tomorrow, or IMO at least 2-3 weeks if the figure out the issue, so a thread like this could help folks with their tee times.

My compliant is not about golf in TV as a whole. The other courses I have played recently at TV fit my expectations (Palmer and Tierra).

I agree we should be sure they are taking the conditions seriously, but that IMO is not the only value of a thread like this.

[Taj44]

Originally Posted by ajbrown

For me this thread is not all about whining. The reason I post to a thread like this to make other golfers who enjoy the championship courses aware.

IMO this is not the same as getting bad service at a restaurant or a poorly prepared meal. In that case you may be the only person who knows and need to chat with management. Others at the same restaurant may be getting good service and in fact you may get a good meal at the same place tomorrow .

Glenview will not be good tomorrow, or IMO at least 2-3 weeks if the figure out the issue, so a thread like this could help folks with their tee times.

My compliant is not about golf in TV as a whole. The other courses I have played recently at TV fit my expectations (Palmer and Tierra).

I agree we should be sure they are taking the conditions seriously, but that IMO is not the only value of a thread like this.

I agree.