[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Hey, when you get here, can I help you to organize a pylon race around the water towers? No rule against that, yet.

I would be happy to race. However, even birds can beat me when flying my J-3 Cub so I don't race. There are FAA rules that govern flying in the air above you and the FAA does enforce all of their rules.

[OpusX1]

Speed may not be enforced at this time on the MM Trails but it is in fact enforced on the roads and you have to be on a road to get to the trail. I also believe that the Sumter County Sheriff's Dept, and the Lady Lake Police Department do in fact have Police Carts that are capable of patrolling the MM trail.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Why they even bother to talk about such things as speed limits with enforcement not a possibility. Am I correct about my understanding of this situation?

. People have received tickets while driving golf carts. I think the sheriff's office has a couple of golf carts too.

Here is a thread on the subject of golf cart tickets;

Golf Cart Tickets and driver license

[graciegirl]

And this thread quotes the latest laws about golf carts from the VHA Newsletter;


New Golf Cart Laws

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

And this thread quotes the latest laws about golf carts from the VHA Newsletter;


New Golf Cart Laws

Thanks for the references but they do not seem to address the question of actions on the multi-modal paths. Please note that I referenced the current information as presented on the district web site to bring into question enforcement on the multi-modal paths. DUI is a special event and there may be others that enable law enforcement to take action.

http://www.districtgov.org/community...Modal-Memo.pdf

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Thanks for the references but they do not seem to address the question of actions on the multi-modal paths. Please note that I referenced the current information as presented on the district web site to bring into question enforcement on the multi-modal paths. DUI is a special event and there may be others that enable law enforcement to take action.

http://www.districtgov.org/community...Modal-Memo.pdf

What is your goal in this? Perhaps it would be clearer if you called the non emergency line of the Sumter County Sheriff's office?

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

What is your goal in this? Perhaps it would be clearer if you called the non emergency line of the Sumter County Sheriff's office?

I'm with you Gracie. I just don't get the point of this thread. We are adults and we know the rules. Some will always push the envelope but most of us are responsible enough to "self police".

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

What is your goal in this? Perhaps it would be clearer if you called the non emergency line of the Sumter County Sheriff's office?

People ask questions all the time on Talk of the Villages. Sometime answers are found here and sometimes not. I am hopeful someone can explain to me what is found on the District web site describing a lack of enforcement capability by the Villages and law enforcement on the multi-modal paths. If one doesn’t have an answer, another may. If I can remember to ask this question in four or more months when I return to TV, I will try to attend another Welcome Wednesday meeting to ask. Sorry you don’t like the question.

[Topspinmo]

Just like in your car you can break the law and speed. Which happens every day down every road. Golf carts are not suppose to exceed 20 mph. There don't have to be speed limits posted if the cart can't exceed 20 mph. Now If you tamper with the governed speed of golf car You or them are breaking the law and will be punished when caught just like getting caught speeding.

Now for the LSV using golf cart paths? IMO they Shouldn't be allowed do the the fact they Are street legal vehicles capable of exceed the 20 mph limited speed of golf cart. But, that's my opinion which don't mean anything

People find ways to skirt or cheat about every law. So what the point of this? If you are law breaker or cheater willl posted sign going to stop them?

[twoplanekid]

Laws without consequences. If I understand correctly the dilemma the Villages and law enforcement face on enforcement of many rules broken on the multi-modal paths, then we only have self- regulation which may or may not be enough and appropriate for the level of safety we would like to attain. In the RC world, we operate under self-regulation and dread what rules the FAA might enact because they have enforce powers. I can see both sides of this issue.

Am I correct in my understanding of what is on districgov site when it comes to lack of enforcement capabilities on the multi-modal trails? Everyone in TV who uses a golf cart should know this. I will use as my excuse I am new to TV.

[EnglishJW]

Originally Posted by tomwed

As an owner you have a vested interest in the community just like the rest of us. I misunderstood your intention. I'm sorry. Ordinarily I try to avoid these kinds of discussions but I feel like I owe you my thoughts on the subject.

I don't own a cart. I bike the multi-modules. I think the speed limit is 20 mph.

Yesterday I golfed with a friend who told me that his friend, an insurance investigator determines as soon as possible if a golf cart in an accident has been tampered with. I think he was referring to the speed settings. If it can move above 20 mph he said it makes a difference.

I think that would be enough information for a reasonable person not to drive a cart that can exceed 20 mph. I think the liability motivates more than a ticket, safety or ethics.

I may delete all of this. As I said..................

We are somewhat new to all of this but we do own a cart (electric). It will do 20 MPH. We are passed regularly by other golf cars. One evening we were playing billiards and there was a big discussion going on about how fast everyone's golf car could go. The claims were from 25 to 35. Most of the attendees were very proud of having their cars modified (and some did it themselves). The biggest discussion was about someone altering the speed as quickly as humanly possible when they got their golf car. I don't think 20 MPH is a problem IF it were to actually be enforced. I personally don't believe reducing the speed limit to 15 and doing nothing to enforce the lower limit will have any impact whatsoever.

[NYGUY]

This is crazy!!!

[SouthOfTheBorder]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

People ask questions all the time on Talk of the Villages. Sometime answers are found here and sometimes not. I am hopeful someone can explain to me what is found on the District web site describing a lack of enforcement capability by the Villages and law enforcement on the multi-modal paths. If one doesn’t have an answer, another may. If I can remember to ask this question in four or more months when I return to TV, I will try to attend another Welcome Wednesday meeting to ask. Sorry you don’t like the question.

Are you aware the lack of "law enforcement capabilities" by ALL FL CDD's is found in the FL statues that authorized CDD's and passed by FL legislative actions? The statutes specifically exclude those powers for CDDs.

For that reason, law enforcement power cannot be an option for TV even if TV wanted it.

Perhaps when are become a resident of FL, you could contact our local state legislature reps to lobby your concerns about how "fast" someone drives on multi-modal paths.

Then again you may want to first host a couple of driveway parties and spend a couple of afternoons at your local pool to bounce your thoughts of 15 mph limit on multi-modal trails off neighbors and friends.

Don

[justjim]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

I do want to have a better understanding of how things operate in The Village for my return. I have never stated nor do I have a clue at this point in time about speed limits. I believe I did quote another person on her view of speed limits, not mine. Yes, I wish I could spend more time there. I own a new home there in Lake Deaton and my wife says we may live there full time! Not sure what this has to do with my questions?

Remember graciegirl, I don’t ask questions because they are easy, but because they are hard questions.

Sometimes the right question is,
Are we asking the right question. Abraham Lincoln

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by SouthOfTheBorder

Are you aware the lack of "law enforcement capabilities" by ALL FL CDD's is found in the FL statues that authorized CDD's and passed by FL legislative actions? The statutes specifically exclude those powers for CDDs.

For that reason, law enforcement power cannot be an option for TV even if TV wanted it.

Perhaps when are become a resident of FL, you could contact our local state legislature reps to lobby your concerns about how "fast" someone drives on multi-modal paths.

Then again you may want to first host a couple of driveway parties and spend a couple of afternoons at your local pool to bounce your thoughts of 15 mph limit on multi-modal trails off neighbors and friends.

Don

I agree and expressed that in my second post that wasn’t a joke "Or, should we encourage the Florida legislature to change the CDD rules to allow someone to have law enforcement authority on the multi-modal trails. This change could be added to the other suggested change to CDD statutes that would allow enforcement of parking rules on the side streets. “ And I say someone because no one with a few exceptions (DUI) has the power at present to enforce rules on the multi-modal paths.


This situation is present in all Florida CDDs thus is not unique to the Villages other than we have one heck of a lot more golf carts here than any other place in the world.

I don’t believe anyone can talk about speed limits except around pools until data is collected and analyzed. Nothing has been collected as far as I can tell.