[outlaw]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Laws without consequences. If I understand correctly the dilemma the Villages and law enforcement face on enforcement of many rules broken on the multi-modal paths, then we only have self- regulation which may or may not be enough and appropriate for the level of safety we would like to attain. In the RC world, we operate under self-regulation and dread what rules the FAA might enact because they have enforce powers. I can see both sides of this issue.

Am I correct in my understanding of what is on districgov site when it comes to lack of enforcement capabilities on the multi-modal trails? Everyone in TV who uses a golf cart should know this. I will use as my excuse I am new to TV.

You seem to be obsessed with legislating golf cart speeds and seat belts. If you want seat belts, install seat belts. If you don't want to go over 15 mph, don't go over15 mph. If you are so concerned with golf cart safety, maybe you should not drive or ride in a golf cart. There are enough laws on the books. You commented that you don't want your RC hobby legislated, and then it seems all you do is post about legislating golf cart operation. Tell us how you feel about jumbo sized drinks.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Laws without consequences. If I understand correctly the dilemma the Villages and law enforcement face on enforcement of many rules broken on the multi-modal paths, then we only have self- regulation which may or may not be enough and appropriate for the level of safety we would like to attain. In the RC world, we operate under self-regulation and dread what rules the FAA might enact because they have enforce powers. I can see both sides of this issue.

Am I correct in my understanding of what is on districgov site when it comes to lack of enforcement capabilities on the multi-modal trails? Everyone in TV who uses a golf cart should know this. I will use as my excuse I am new to TV.

Sometimes rules are written and the only enforceable option is the honor system. We see this in professional golf all the time. Since you're always talking about the FAA, how about the rule that no aircraft shall exceed 250 kts (288 mph) under 10,000 feet.

If you were flying something other than your Cub, maybe a turbo prop or a twin and you decided to fly at 8,000 at 300 kts, and since you're VFR you are only squawking 1200 and you're not in contact with ATC, who is responsible for your speed. The answer of course is 'you', the same person who is operating his golf cart below 20 mph.

[looneycat]

what a ridiculous thread, most people obey the speed limit those that don't speed in their cars as well despite the fact that it is enforced on the roads, legislate it and all that will change is a few tickets....

[justjim]

The right question is: Should you "ban" the golf cart or fine a resident who is driving a golf cart that has the ability to travel 25-30 mph on a multi-modal trail or on any other street within The Villages?

That is the question we should be asking----instead of all this other "attention getting" gobbly gook!

When the speed limit is 35mph, we travel around TV in cars that will do 100mph and more. You see where I'm going and my rationale for saying leave the golf carts in TV just like they are and keep the Government out of the picture.

I don't believe that you gain anything by giving a resident of TV a huge fine for having a golf cart that can go 5 miles over the legal speed of 20mph. That rationale is not only nonsense it defies common sense IMHO.

If you are going to fine a resident for having a golf cart that will go 5mph over the speed limit, then to be fair you should fine a resident for having a car that will go 75mph over the legal speed limit. All nonsense!

[HimandMe]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Or, should we encourage the Florida legislature to change the CDD rules to allow someone to have law enforcement authority on the multi-modal trails. This change could be added to the other suggested change to CDD statutes that would allow enforcement of parking rules on the side streets. Let’s go racing or not.

Please read III Enforcement on page 4 as presented on the districgov web site.

http://www.districtgov.org/community...Modal-Memo.pdf

Is this good self-regulation by default or is it about time for a needed change? Is my understanding of this situation accurate?

More rules equals less freedom. Common sense should prevail.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by outlaw

You seem to be obsessed with legislating golf cart speeds and seat belts. If you want seat belts, install seat belts. If you don't want to go over 15 mph, don't go over15 mph. If you are so concerned with golf cart safety, maybe you should not drive or ride in a golf cart. There are enough laws on the books. You commented that you don't want your RC hobby legislated, and then it seems all you do is post about legislating golf cart operation.

[twoplanekid]

Do I now have this correct? The 42 miles of multi-modal paths in TV have many rules that can’t be enforced because of the way CDDs were setup in Florida. However, we don’t need enforcement of those rules on the paths because we all do a good job of self-regulation and enforcement is an unnecessary evil. The safety record of golf cart use in TV is at an acceptable level.

As I have not seen any speed data of actual golf cart travel on the paths, I will just have to accept your conclusions that people are using common sense with their operation of golf carts and try to avoid those that don’t.

[vette]

Originally Posted by HimandMe

More rules equals less freedom. Common sense should prevail.

"If you are going to fine a resident for having a golf cart that will go 5mph over the speed limit, then to be fair you should fine a resident for having a car that will go 75mph over the legal speed limit. All nonsense! "

I agree completely! I would hope that at our stage of life we have learned that No Law can protect people from being irresponsible. . . AND usually when people do try to legislate life the "Law of Unintended Consequences" creates more problems then ever anticipated.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Do I now have this correct? The 42 miles of multi-modal paths in TV have many rules that can’t be enforced because of the way CDDs were setup in Florida. However, we don’t need enforcement of those rules on the paths because we all do a good job of self-regulation and enforcement is an unnecessary evil. The safety record of golf cart use in TV is at an acceptable level.

As I have not seen any speed data of actual golf cart travel on the paths, I will just have to accept your conclusions that people are using common sense with their operation of golf carts and try to avoid those that don’t.

Bingo!
Don

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

As we have more golf carts here than anywhere else on the planet, I am sure many would enjoy golf cart racing in The Villages. It is my understanding that law enforcement doesn’t have any authority on the multi-modal paths. And, The Village government doesn’t have any law enforcement authority at all. So, why don’t we have official racing on the paths? I believe that the suggested speed on the paths is 20 but it can’t be enforced. Racing might allow everyone to become better drivers. We will soon have striping to help us stay on the paths at higher speeds. Let’s go for it and fulfill our need for speed.

Watch the world's fastest golf cart drag race at 118 MPH - SBNation.com

twoplanekid: Perhaps you would have been wiser to have lived here for a while before making such ridiculous suggestions. I haven't seen a whole lot of issues with speed on multi-modal paths because irrespective of a carts speed the nature and application of the multi-modal paths keeps speed at a minimum along with the fact that most cart owners are responsible people.

I like that the Districts do not have policing powers but then I like less government and so ,and while respectively submitted, I resent your attempt to imposing more rules and regulations on the rest of us

The police can and do check for golf cart speeders on diamond lanes. I certainly do not want to waste taxpayer money for some officer to issue a senior a speeding ticket for going 21 mph.

My cart is set at 20mph so that you understand I have no self interests here

Now for some history, and since I am late to this thread surprised that another poster had not mentioned it.

The fact is for the first few years that I lived here ( moved in 2006) the local sheriff's department would periodically advertise they were sponsoring golf cart racing. Now why would a local sheriff's department sponsor racing to see who had the fastest carts? I assure you I never bit

In summary please consider a live let live attitude here because all we really want anymore is not to be managed we had enough of that while raising our families and tending to our occupational pursuits.

Personal Best Regards:

[Chatbrat]

I have clocked numerous carts over 30 mph-its just like the people who use their phones & cameras in the Sharon--laws are for others--I'm retired, I'm special

Patti LuPone- took a phone from a spectator who was texting during her show in NYC.

If there is an accident & the cart was found to be altered-there will be some splaning --to do Lucy

[twoplanekid]

Originally Posted by rubicon

twoplanekid: Perhaps you would have been wiser to have lived here for a while before making such ridiculous suggestions. I haven't seen a whole lot of issues with speed on multi-modal paths because irrespective of a carts speed the nature and application of the multi-modal paths keeps speed at a minimum along with the fact that most cart owners are responsible people.

I like that the Districts do not have policing powers but then I like less government and so ,and while respectively submitted, I resent your attempt to imposing more rules and regulations on the rest of us

The police can and do check for golf cart speeders on diamond lanes. I certainly do not want to waste taxpayer money for some officer to issue a senior a speeding ticket for going 21 mph.

My cart is set at 20mph so that you understand I have no self interests here

Now for some history, and since I am late to this thread surprised that another poster had not mentioned it.

The fact is for the first few years that I lived here ( moved in 2006) the local sheriff's department would periodically advertise they were sponsoring golf cart racing. Now why would a local sheriff's department sponsor racing to see who had the fastest carts? I assure you I never bit

In summary please consider a live let live attitude here because all we really want anymore is not to be managed we had enough of that while raising our families and tending to our occupational pursuits.

Personal Best Regards:

It’s a discussion or debate on a forum. I don’t resent anyone with the opposite point of view. Actually, I am not sure I would be on your opposite side and am learning more about TV all of the time from comments by old timers to TV. I was trying to understand the enforcement of rules or lack thereof on the multi-modal paths as some TV district managers are suggesting changing them.

Why have rules when they can’t be enforced? As many of the rules on the path can’t be enforces, are they rules or guidelines. I feel it might be more precise to suggest that people not go over 20 on the paths than to say they must not. I believe that many people who live in TV chose to live in a community that already has more rules on the books than I previously thought possible.

How long must I live in TV to be able to say something? We do have the notion of free speech in America and debate on all issues should be allowed to take place. As some people will always have less experience than others, are they then to be excluded from the discussions or debates? A fresh examination by someone new is sometimes good.

As we get older, many times we become set in our ways. I hope I can always have an open mind to examine new ways of doing things. I certainly don’t mean to offend anyone by my current beliefs and opinions which may change over time.

[EnglishJW]

Originally Posted by rubicon

twoplanekid: Perhaps you would have been wiser to have lived here for a while before making such ridiculous suggestions. I haven't seen a whole lot of issues with speed on multi-modal paths because irrespective of a carts speed the nature and application of the multi-modal paths keeps speed at a minimum along with the fact that most cart owners are responsible people.

I like that the Districts do not have policing powers but then I like less government and so ,and while respectively submitted, I resent your attempt to imposing more rules and regulations on the rest of us

The police can and do check for golf cart speeders on diamond lanes. I certainly do not want to waste taxpayer money for some officer to issue a senior a speeding ticket for going 21 mph.

My cart is set at 20mph so that you understand I have no self interests here

Now for some history, and since I am late to this thread surprised that another poster had not mentioned it.

The fact is for the first few years that I lived here ( moved in 2006) the local sheriff's department would periodically advertise they were sponsoring golf cart racing. Now why would a local sheriff's department sponsor racing to see who had the fastest carts? I assure you I never bit

In summary please consider a live let live attitude here because all we really want anymore is not to be managed we had enough of that while raising our families and tending to our occupational pursuits.

Personal Best Regards:

Very well said and I completely agree.

p.s. our car is set at 20 and has seat belts

[twoplanekid]

I have been asking questions such as how to interpret what is presented on the district gov web site.

http://www.districtgov.org/community...Modal-Memo.pdf

What are the limits to enforcement on the multi-modal path? I am not talking about city or county roads. Few on this forum seem to want to discuss this issue. It is my understanding that many TV district managers are discussing changes to how we operate our golf carts. I am trying to understand the issues involved.

[Gerald]

When do people grow up. Golf carts in the villages is a way to slow down . See the flowers and not kill others. The villages is not a race track. If you have this need. Go to a race track . We already have enough to accidents in the villages.