[sdeikenberry]

Originally Posted by DAVES

My two cents worth. A hybrid is an electric gasoline engine combination. Far more complex than the 2008 gasoline car. Batteries have a service life based on not just use but time. Replacing batteries in a hybrid or one of the fully electric cars is expensive.
The life of the batteries is at best 7 years. They are not worth much used for that reason. As far as advertised miles per gallon. That 40 mpg highway. Does not include stopping for tolls, traffic, bathrooms, food, or the 100 pounds of luggage etc. Actual mpg depends on your driving style as well as the car weight and performance. More weight, faster acceleration needs more power-it does not matter if it is gasoline, electricity or a combination. Actually with a hybrid, weight-part of the weight is the batteries that you are carrying as well as the electric motor and the electronics to control it.

Respectfully, I disagree with Dave's comments on battery life and MPG. I'm not sure where you're getting your information...but I own a 2010 Prius and was just told by the dealer my batteries are fine, and as long as I drive it regularly, I can expect the batteries to last a long time yet. So that's ten years now and batteries still good. As for mpg, we routinely get 45-55 mpg overall driving. But we don't drive like maniacs...we don't jack-rabbit start and we anticipate braking before we run up on a situation that requires brakes. You have to be mileage minded and adjust your driving to get the best mileage.

[Coopcasa]

Originally Posted by wirenail444

I just bought a new Venza (Toyota) hybrid and am getting over 45 mpg locally. Toyota invented the hybrid and has remained several years ahead of everyone else in hybrid design. I suggest a RAV4 or an upscale Venza.

Another vote for the Toyota Venza. Drives great, looks great, 45mpg. The hybrid system, including the battery, is completely warranted for 10 years / 150k miles.

[Lil GTO]

Interesting subject and comments. I’ve spent a lifetime in the car business and it never ceases to amaze me how many people think the Asian imports are such great and bullet proof vehicles.

At one time early 80’s through mid 90’s the American auto manufacturers produced substandard vehicles except for a few models within the domestic offering.

This lead almost to their demise. Since then the domestic manufacturers had a choice either go under or get with the program.

As Americans can and do they’ve not only put their products on par with all imports but have recently pulled ahead in quality and technology and safety in many instances.

Many imports were 5 years behind on current safety suites only offering them in their top luxury brands and models.

Finally they’re offering them in their main stream vehicles.

Here’s my question to those that think that imports have a quality/reliability advantage.

If in your mind you were certain that domestic vehicles were as good as if not better than imports would you then buy American?

If not why not? Our manufactures large and small need us to fully support them so that they can continue to lead the world in quality safety and technology.

The absolute facts are and Toyota, Honda, Nissan have all been caught at it several times and fined heavily for it that when there is a catastrophic recall it isn’t labeled as such the recall issued might be for a suspension component replacement or a faulty switch but the real problem is something to go with brake failure, unexpected acceleration, something that could cause fire etc.

The vehicle comes in for the suspension fix which was never an issue to begin with and the item that could cause catastrophic damage is then repaired the vehicle returned to the owner/lessee and they’re none the wiser.

It has happened many times and it will continue to happen as it is better to pay fines (if caught) which they only get caught a small percentage of the time than to lose their bullet proof reputation with the American buyers.

Folks if you’re convinced that imports are so superior to domestic vehicles just ride by the Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, Subaru dealership on any given day and observe that the service bays are full.

They are full doing warranty work period just like the domestic dealerships.

Quit making these automotive decisions by following the little black and red dots in consumer reports and do some homework for your selves.

Domestic vehicles are winning and you should be too by driving and owning them.

Peace out.

Dan the carman for 52 years and counting.

Happy Mother’s Day to all the moms and grandmothers out there m.

Originally Posted by Laker14

are you buying or leasing?
I have always been a buyer, but...with the risk we take when we buy, I think I am done buying.
DW and I bought a nice 2017 Honda CR (Turbo, Gas, no hybrid, no electric) and immediately there were issues with gas in the oil. Great! And we're into it for over 30K$, and Honda can make some nice cars, but when they mess up, they aren't great about taking care of the customer. (See Odyssey and transmission issues for their performance on THAT debacle)

This isn't directly related to "hybrid vs gas" but indirectly it is.

You could consider leasing a hybrid, if it's what your heart really wants, and you can find out if you like it, and reduce the risk should you wind up with a nest of problems.

[JoelJohnson]

I guess it depends on how long you plan on keeping the car. We tend to run a car into the ground (then give it to the kids ).

Many years ago I saw a financial program on PBS where the host said that the difference between keeping a car for 10 years vs getting a new one every 3 years would cost you over $200,000 (but, again, that was many years ago, it might be more now).

[Burgy]

Originally Posted by village dreamer

i have a 2019 Camry hybrid it gets 55mpg around town. when I'm on the hiway at 75mph i get 50 mpg, i love my Camry.i just did a trip of 1300 miles and used about 23 gals. of gas.

My Camry is great, no problems in 7 years, over 40 mpg in TV, 38 hwy. Break even at 60-70k miles. New ones get 10mpg more.. Honda hybrids ok but Toyota better

[Dlbonivich]

I have a 2013 hybrid Toyota Camry. Your savings in a hybrid is traveling below 25 miles per hour, not long distance it switches off at stops . I get 46 miles (used to get more) a gallon of gas it has 110,000 miles on it no engine problems. I had worried about batteries until I met a guy with over 259,000 miles on his. I would definitely get another one. Not sure about Honda technology

[WesMan]

I have a 2018 CVR regular gas engine, I get 33 MPG on the highway, no need to get hybrid

[merrymini]

Stuff about replacing the batteries is baloney. I have had two Prius hybrids and they are terrific. I average about 52 miles per gallon. They get over 500 plus miles per tank and from NJ to Florida, I could only need to stop twice for gas. It is a lighter weight car and I have been very happy with the vehicle and the service.

[skippy05]

I know you are interested in Honda. However, I have a hybrid experience to share. I just purchased a 2021 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid Van. It is a plug-in Hybrid. The first 32 miles are total electric when you start off. After that I'm getting around 37 MPG on hybrid. Chrysler warranties the hybrid battery for 7 years. I won't keep the van that long. IN the meantime when gas prices eventually jump to 5+ per gallon (and they surely will) it will be sweet. Additionally, when I take short trips to the grocery or Home Depot, etc...I leave the Van ON in the parking lot (in electirc mode) and lock the doors while I'm in the store. The van in this situaion is absolutey quite in the parking lot and I return back to my van to a nice cool enviornment. All these nay sayers about hybrid on here assume you will want to keep the vechicle forever (which in some cases could be true) and if that is the case then don't buy one because for sure the eventual repair expenses for 2 motors would be higher. However, your situation is whatever it is. Go test drive a used 2020 or new 2021 Pacifica Hybrid and you be amazed at the comfort and abundance of 'standard' included safety tech Chrysler has put on board. Also the 'cool' factor of driving MOST of your short trips with 100% electric mode is very exciting (not from a save the planet type of thinking) but the experience of total silent electirc and freedom of not always filling up with gas.

[tuccillo]

This is slightly off topic because you specifically asked about a CR-V hybrid. You might wish to wait a year and take a look at the new crop of fully electric vehicles that will become available. Many will have a $7500 tax credit to offset the higher cost. While charging times on a road trip will take longer than refueling with gas, if road trips are not something you do frequently then it may not be an issue. Since you have an SUV already and are looking at another SUV, I will assume a sedan will not meet your needs. There are several fully electric SUVs available now and more coming next year.

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

My 2008 Honda CRV is getting a bit long in tooth and I am considering a new CRV, my understanding is hybrids show their worth in stop and go urban driving, 40 mpg advertised, but that's not the situation here in the Villages, my 2008 runs a consistent 26 , closer to the highway mileage mpg than city, can anyone with a newer CRV hybrid share their experience ? TIA

[lem001]

I have a 2017 Kia Niro hybrid. This was my first hybrid and couldn't be happier. On average I get between 45 and 50 MPG. with the 11 gallon tank that equates to approximately 500 mile range. I have had no problems in terms or repairs.
I do recognize that their maybe problems in the future but then again - welcome to life!

[spofford]

On my second Prius V (wagon style) and get 43+ in and around TV. On cross country road trips will get 37.5, fully loaded (back seat down for cargo) at 75. Wind, hills and speed kill the mpg. It is nice to see 99.9 in city traffic, slow traffic.

[mark100]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

My 2008 Honda CRV is getting a bit long in tooth and I am considering a new CRV, my understanding is hybrids show their worth in stop and go urban driving, 40 mpg advertised, but that's not the situation here in the Villages, my 2008 runs a consistent 26 , closer to the highway mileage mpg than city, can anyone with a newer CRV hybrid share their experience ? TIA

All you have to do is to figure the cost of the both vehicles the way you want them decked out. Calculate the cost of the Hybrid MPG and the number of miles you drive in a year. Do the same with the price of the non Hybrid. Next using the cost of fuel today calculate the gallons used in a year and the per gallon.
The difference in the cost between vehicles is important.
Divide out how long you will have to own the Hybrid until you pay the increased cost and get a return on your investment.
I had a Camray Hybrid in 2018. The time fore me was about 7 years to realize a rate of return.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

My 2008 Honda CRV is getting a bit long in tooth and I am considering a new CRV, my understanding is hybrids show their worth in stop and go urban driving, 40 mpg advertised, but that's not the situation here in the Villages, my 2008 runs a consistent 26 , closer to the highway mileage mpg than city, can anyone with a newer CRV hybrid share their experience ? TIA

I drive a 9 year old Prius. 150,000 miles on it. Never any problems. Original batteries. My dealer wants it to resell because the market is so good. I don’t need a tank of an SUV. I keep the back seats folded down and have a space six feet long for hauling stuff. If I replaced it, I’d get another one. I might splurge on the loaded top of the line with batteries that plug in in the garage. That provides as much juice as I use in a day most weeks. Like a golf cart. That would be $36,000. How much is an utterly loaded CRV? The CRV Hybrid Touring starts there. I would definitely go hybrid if you can afford it. It’s great to be driving in slow traffic and realize it’s not costing much per minute.

[John Lockett]

The Toyota RAV4 has been totally redesigned and is on the same frame as the Camery. If you go to the top of the line hybrid Limited, which I did, you won't get a better vehicle. You can get different levels of protection but you don't have to worry about the battery. The GPS and sound system is great and the ride is super. I could go on but a few friends of mine bought Honda's and say they made a mistake.
John