[GoldenBoy]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

So, what is wrong with arresting drunk drivers, drug violators, and molesters? Those are illegal activities and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Even if they have families and work and are white. Sure, families will suffer and that is unfortunate. Do something "illegal" and suffer the consequence.

Compare that to "illegal immigrants". Shouldn't the same apply? The description "illegal" says they did not do immigration the right way: suffer the consequence.

Drunk drivers, drug users, molesters?-- are you talking about the immigrants, Villagers, or the Villager's children moving back in with Mom & Dad or Nana after their Work Release program?

[Number 10 GI]

Back in the late 90's or early 2000's I was watching a Nashville, TN news station. They were doing a story on the labor shortage in the area at that time, and it mentioned that a restaurant was paying a college student $10 an hour to wash dishes. Now that isn't much money today but at that time it was a really good hourly wage for unskilled labor. The point is that the restaurant was willing to pay the wage necessary to get an American citizen to do that necessary job. Later in time as the number of illegals migrating to the area for jobs, an illegal got the job as far less than $10 an hour.

I was a real estate agent in the late 80's and when I went into the new housing developments all the crews building the houses were American citizens. A few years later the only American citizens on these construction sites were the supervisors, skilled labor, ie. plumbers, electricians and brick layers. All the rest were illegals. Why, because they were willing to work for less money than an American citizen.
I had my roof on my house in Tennessee replaced in 2017. The company I hired sent an American citizen roofer to do the work. He told me that he previously had his own roofing company but had to close it down because his competition used illegals and under bid him all the time. He was friends with this company's owner who hired him so he could have a paying job. Most of the other employees were illegals.
I had a concrete slab poured for a work shop. I took bids from companies for the work and contracted with a company that only had American citizens in it's employ. The owner was shocked that he got the contract because he was usually underbid by his competition as they used all illegals. I think the other companies that bid on the contract didn't really want it due to the small size of the job and intentionally over bid.
It's pretty sad and quite defining of some people's values and integrity that will put an American citizen out of work so they can take advantage of an illegal because they will work for less money.

[Tustin714]

Originally Posted by dougjb

Immigrants today seek the same...a better life for their family.

It doesn't matter, for two reasons: (a) The United States doesn't owe the world anything to make a "better life", we have a right and duty to protect our citizens from excessive immigration, especially illegal immigration, and (b) the people in question are here illegally. It astounds that some people (including some commentators here) are incapable of accepting that illegal aliens simply need to leave. They broke the law, jumped the line and must leave. That's what the majority of Americans voted for because (to quote Democrats) "no one is above the law".

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by DrMack

Those that are cheering this on should realize

That pool you were building by T and D, not anymore
Your lawn care, not anymore
The driveway you were in the middle of installing, oh well
The yard that is messed up by your landscaping job, it may stay that way
The beautiful plants on your roads, done over with
That roof you had blown off by the storm, get a tarp
That house you contracted for construction, add a year

I believe the mass exodus from Wildwood and Leesburg triggered by this raid is not going to be quite the result you were hoping for.

I can live with all of that. Now, if they were being employed to fix ball marks, fill in divots, and rake sand traps, that would be a horse of a different color.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Compare that to "illegal immigrants". Shouldn't the same apply? The description "illegal" says they did not do immigration the right way: suffer the consequence.

What has me scratching my head are the folks that choose to call illegal immigrants undocumented migrants. Like that somehow makes them coming into the country illegally less illegal???? Putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t change the fact it’s a pig. Go figure.

[Tustin714]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

If you were born in the USA or territories, this makes you a citizen. Even babies of the illegal construction workers who were born in the USA are citizens. The parents will be deported but not the children.

This needs to be rebutted because it's patently false (though many people believe it because they aren't properly educated on the Constitution in school -- so likely no fault of the writer).

The Constitution explicitly says that to be a non-natural born citizen, a person must be BOTH born here and (more importantly) be "subject to the general jurisdiction" of the U.S. There is a rule in law (30+ year retired attorney here) called the "rule of surplusage", which states that all words in a statute (or the Constitution) must have meaning. So just being born here is not enough; the key is "being subject to..." and that's the battle being fought now. If being born here was sufficient, the second phrase is surplus and meaningless.

The authors of the 14th Amendment made it clear that illegal aliens and other similarly situated do not qualify, but that has largely been overlooked for well over a century. It's good that President Trump made an E.O. about the issue, so the courts can rule on it once and for all. Hopefully they align with the clear intent of the authors of the Constitutional amendment.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I will bet many of the Native Americans when we first started landing on their shores had wished they had yelled out "smallpox". Of course, they would not have understood at first but soon would.

I mean that the people on the boat were yelling "smallpox". Like the ICE people yelling "ICE".


My sentence was not clear.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

The difference is that all of those people you mentioned did not come here expecting free housing/food/health care/phones/etc

If you want open borders, first eliminate the welfare state.

The people who were rounded up - y'know, those people THIS thread is talking about...

were WORKING. They weren't getting free anything. They were working. Earning money, to pay their way. That's how they ended up being rounded up in the first place. ICE went to the workplace. Where they were working. Jobs. That paid American money.

[Taltarzac725]

Frequently Asked Questions: Citizenship under 14th Amendment | ACLU of Arizona | The American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona is the state’s premier guardian of liberty, working daily in the courts, Arizona Legislature, and communities statewide to defend and preserve individual rights and freedoms guaranteed to all by the Constitution.

For your enlightenment.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Tustin714

This needs to be rebutted because it's patently false (though many people believe it because they aren't properly educated on the Constitution in school -- so likely no fault of the writer).

The Constitution explicitly says that to be a non-natural born citizen, a person must be BOTH born here and (more importantly) be "subject to the general jurisdiction" of the U.S. There is a rule in law (30+ year retired attorney here) called the "rule of surplusage", which states that all words in a statute (or the Constitution) must have meaning. So just being born here is not enough; the key is "being subject to..." and that's the battle being fought now. If being born here was sufficient, the second phrase is surplus and meaningless.

The authors of the 14th Amendment made it clear that illegal aliens and other similarly situated do not qualify, but that has largely been overlooked for well over a century. It's good that President Trump made an E.O. about the issue, so the courts can rule on it once and for all. Hopefully they align with the clear intent of the authors of the Constitutional amendment.

Perhaps you can explain why the parents of unaccompanied children show up they are not charged with child endangerment , what have I missed ?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

Perhaps you can explain why the parents of unaccompanied children show up they are not charged with child endangerment , what have I missed ?

His post seems to be putting the cart before the horse. Constitution 101 Resources - 14.4 Primary Source: United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) | Constitution Center

[dewilson58]

To me, doesn't matter if "they are working" or not............if here illegally, time to go.

There is no easy way to clean up the open border mess and the whiners have not offered any effective solutions/alternatives.

Come here to work, do it legally.
Come here to live, do it legally.

Come here illegally and have a child, there are risks.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

What has me scratching my head are the folks that choose to call illegal immigrants undocumented migrants. Like that somehow makes them coming into the country illegally less illegal???? Putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t change the fact it’s a pig. Go figure.

So now you want to just call all these people pigs, and anyone who wants to treat them as human beings are trying to put lipstick on them?

Nice.

There is a distinction, which some folks fail to notice, or care about, because they see brown skin and hear foreign accents and immediately assume they're violent criminals, gang members, drug smugglers.

There's such a thing as "asylum-seekers." They're a thing. One of the criteria to seek asylum in the US, is to come over the border ILLEGALLY and request asylum. You are, and continue to be, an "illegal alien" while you wait for your hearing. You're not breaking any laws, and in fact, you are obeying them. So you're not "illegal." You are "undocumented."

Furthermore, PEOPLE are not "illegal." The word "illegal" is an adjective. In the phrase "illegal aliens" you are describing the aliens themselves - the people - as illegal people. It's called dehumanizing, and it is a tactic used to make marginalized people "less" or "inferior" than the people using the terms.

Humans are not illegal. Their behavior or actions or activities might be illegal. But the people themselves are not. Considering the pro-life stance so many people have these days, you would think the fact that these are fully-born adult people would be celebrated, not vilified.

Any American born at home whose mother never filled out a birth certificate form or applied for a social security number - would fit into your criteria of "illegal." Check out some folks from Appalachia and you'll find bunches of them. But they're not illegal. They're just undocumented. They have no proof of citizenship. And yet - they are American citizens, born and bred from American citizen parents, who were born and bred from American citizen parents.