[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Always love this old, oft-repeated argument.

I don't think a single golfer in TV, or people considering moving to TV, is unaware that somewhere in there various fees is payment for golf. Just as there is payment for all TV amenities...not a single one of which is used by everyone who pays for it.

But as long as I don't have to pay one additional cent to play executive golf over and above what I would have to pay if I never played golf, I will continue to call it free...fully aware of all costs I pay to live here.

...and some of us (who,me?) SHOULD have to pay extra for the executive courses considering how we chop them up!

[goodtimesintv]

Originally Posted by rubicon

goodtimesintv: In all due respect I believe more than 40% of the people who live here play golf but I'll concede that point. However playing the executive courses is not free. either you pay an additional $141.00 per year plus whatever portion of the amenity fee is applied and unless your a glutton for punishment you need to pony up $8 per month for the tee time scheduling system.

In addition if one wants to play a championship they can buy a priority membership and get a reduced rate or pay the seasonal rate. One could equate the championship courses with indoor pools and the executive courses with rec center pools.

Personal Best Regards:

Executive golf is free. Nobody HAS to drive a cart, and nobody has to buy an annual trail fee for $141 even if they do want to drive a cart. We can pay the trail fee as we go, for a "whopping" $3. SMH......

I'm all for a priority golf membership for both golf and the club pools to use with family and guests. That's why we buy that priority membership every year.

I also said right up front that I would be happy to pay a fee to use a regulation, competition length indoor pool.

A great reason to have one hasn't been mentioned yet: swimming after dark at 5-6pm once the time changes for the winter. Darkness early, after classes and teams occupy the sport pools all day till 3-4pm, seriously limits lap time overall, and especially lap time that's not in the peak sun exposure hours.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

I don't think a single golfer in TV, or people considering moving to TV, is unaware that somewhere in their various fees is payment for golf. Just as there is payment for all TV amenities...not a single one of which is used by everyone who pays for it.

But as long as I don't have to pay one additional cent to play executive golf over and above what I would have to pay if I never played golf, I will continue to call it free...fully aware of all costs I pay to live here.

Well said!

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Bonny

Actually, if you walk the courses and use the phone to schedule tee times, there is no additional money you would have to pay.

Hi sweet bonny

With the exception of this very unusual warm summer I do walk the executive courses(my preference) and I do pay the $141 trail fee and do so without complaint. As to the phone system as I said in my previous post, unless your a glutton for punishment who would use such an arcane method for reserving a tee time Ugh

My reference to these cost was for illustrious purpose only to point out that people pay extra for things they desire to do such as playing the championship courses and /or executive courses priority memberships, etc, it wasn't an attack on paying these costs but I digress

I never used a swimming pool or rec center/activities contained therein but my wife does attend an exercise class at one of the rec centers. I understand what I signed on for and its fine with me. However in that same vein if we adapted every whim of a suggestion a resident advanced we would go broke.

I do not object to an indoor pool. I would object for being asked to pay for it . so let TVLSI build it and sell memberships to it. I'll never oppose that decision.

This thread should be viewed simply as a discussion, of competing voices on this issue and how residents view it. However we have a few that seem to react to differences of positions by calling those opposed complainers and I for one am sick of it because its an allegation given without much thought

[Jayhawk]

“As they say in poker, ‘If you’ve been in the game 30 minutes and don’t know who the patsy is, you’re the patsy.'”

Warren E. Buffet, chairman of Berkshire Hathaway, in the company’s annual report.


Change the word "poker" to "TOTV" and the word "patsy" to "complainer" and the shoe still fits.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

“As they say in poker, ‘If you’ve been in the game 30 minutes and don’t know who the patsy is, you’re the patsy.'”

Warren E. Buffet, chairman of Berkshire Hathaway, in the company’s annual report.


Change the word "poker" to "TOTV" and the word "patsy" to "complainer" and the shoe still fits.

Now there is a quote I can love.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by goodtimesintv

A great reason to have one hasn't been mentioned yet: swimming after dark at 5-6pm once the time changes for the winter. Darkness early, after classes and teams occupy the sport pools all day till 3-4pm, seriously limits lap time overall, and especially lap time that's not in the peak sun exposure hours.

If they do build the pool, I hope they see sense and make it 25 metres. 25 yards is fine for recreation but if it were an internationally-accepted length maybe it could generate some income by holding "meets".

Or make it 50m and TV could put in a bid for the Olympics, with pickleball as a demonstration sport :-)

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

If they do build the pool, I hope they see sense and make it 25 metres. 25 yards is fine for recreation but if it were an internationally-accepted length maybe it could generate some income by holding "meets".



Or make it 50m and TV could put in a bid for the Olympics, with pickleball as a demonstration sport :-)

I love entrepreneurs! Way to go.


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[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Bonny

Actually, if you walk the courses and use the phone to schedule tee times, there is no additional money you would have to pay.

You're not aware of the walking fee starting in October?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim

Yes ------ as I said I doubt very much that it would add more the cost of a postage stamp to your monthly amenity fee .

It`s going to be a fun time here when the Developer turns everything over .

I can hear it now : " We don`t need those flowers , those fountains , all that landscaping along the roadways ".

" We don`t need the common areas along Buena Vista , Morse et al mowed more than once a month a most " .
" We don`t need to water the common areas ". " The trash for the Squares only need be collected every two weeks ".

And on and on it will go .

Actually, it will be just the opposite, if condo owners associations are an indicator of what will come. Special interests will continue to press the elected officials to add their pet amenity/project/activity/facility/service. Over time, the amenity fees will increase, user fees will increase, and special assessments will be more and more a part of the budget. A good example is the AAC responsible for spending the $40 million settlement. They are considering spending up to $3 million just for land for a new recreation center. I think that is where this new indoor pool is coming from. They are getting requests for platform tennis, golf course, lighted baseball fields and other amenities.

[Bonny]

Originally Posted by outlaw

You're not aware of the walking fee starting in October?

No, I didn't know that.

[Bonny]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Hi sweet bonny

With the exception of this very unusual warm summer I do walk the executive courses(my preference) and I do pay the $141 trail fee and do so without complaint. As to the phone system as I said in my previous post, unless your a glutton for punishment who would use such an arcane method for reserving a tee time Ugh

My reference to these cost was for illustrious purpose only to point out that people pay extra for things they desire to do such as playing the championship courses and /or executive courses priority memberships, etc, it wasn't an attack on paying these costs but I digress

I never used a swimming pool or rec center/activities contained therein but my wife does attend an exercise class at one of the rec centers. I understand what I signed on for and its fine with me. However in that same vein if we adapted every whim of a suggestion a resident advanced we would go broke.

I do not object to an indoor pool. I would object for being asked to pay for it . so let TVLSI build it and sell memberships to it. I'll never oppose that decision.

This thread should be viewed simply as a discussion, of competing voices on this issue and how residents view it. However we have a few that seem to react to differences of positions by calling those opposed complainers and I for one am sick of it because its an allegation given without much thought

Yep, I'm only just discussing too.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Actually, it will be just the opposite, if condo owners associations are an indicator of what will come. Special interests will continue to press the elected officials to add their pet amenity/project/activity/facility/service. Over time, the amenity fees will increase, user fees will increase, and special assessments will be more and more a part of the budget. A good example is the AAC responsible for spending the $40 million settlement. They are considering spending up to $3 million just for land for a new recreation center. I think that is where this new indoor pool is coming from. They are getting requests for platform tennis, golf course, lighted baseball fields and other amenities.

Outlaw spot on to both the condo analogy and to the spending habits of AAC $40 million can go quickly

[JoMar]

Could this be a record on a thread exceeding 100 posts in a couple days.......I think the Villages Health took weeks to get to 100.

[MickeyB2025]

I hope it's somewhere on the near me. Would love to have covered/indoor pool near by. Great for chilly winter days and not everyone wants to broil themselves!